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“I am grateful to the fate that made me meet the Chechens!” Francesco Benedetti interviews Alla Dudaeva

Alla Fyodorovna Dudayeva is the widow of the first President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. Dudaev’s life partner, she lived with him until his assassination, which occurred on April 21, 1996 by the Russian army. Despite being of Russian origin, Alla Dudaeva linked her personal destiny to the cause of Chechen independence, continuing after her husband’s death to plead the reasons for a free Chechnya. Among her qualities, her passion for drawing certainly stands out. For this reason, in addition to her words, we have collected and published, with her permission, her pictorial works. What follows, therefore, is a double story, in words and images: the story of a wife, a mother, an artist, a political activist, a woman united with Chechnya by love and destiny.

“Golden Ichkeria” – 1989

The death of Dzhokhar Dudayev has deprived the Chechens of both a human and a political point of reference. From your point of view, this may be even more true: has the loss of a person so important to you as a life partner, as a mother, and at the same time as a supporter of a free Chechnya, changed your existential point of view?

The entire Chechen people wept when they learned of Dzhokhar’s death, as well as the Muslim world. But not only Muslims: the whole world appreciated Dzhokhar’s life and work, the Chechen people’s resistance to Russian aggression, and dedicated dozens of streets, squares and cities in different countries to him. Dzhokhar showed how to “take cities” and in 3 days (March 7,8,9) the capital of Ichkeria was taken by Chechens. Russian military units and bases were surrounded, but the Chechens did not shoot at the Russians so that the planes could not bomb the attackers. This ingenious plan was conceived by Dzhokhar, and when journalists asked him “why did you leave Grozny?” He replied “We have shown the whole world how to take cities!” In exactly the same way, the invaders were surrounded three months after the death of Dzhokhar on August 6, 1996. It was called: “dying, embracing the enemy.” And it happened only thanks to the unparalleled courage and courage of the Chechen people. For the first time in the world, a small Chechen people defeated the huge Russian empire of evil and violence, which the whole world has been afraid of for decades!

And the people called it a miracle! This victory gave hope to all occupied peoples for their future liberation and breathed new strength into those who bowed and surrendered! A nation is invincible when it fights on its own land for its freedom, if it has such a leader! When the president and the people are one, they are invincible!

“Dzhokhar Dudaev” 1989

Has his death changed anything in you regarding the care of your family and regarding the idea of an independent Chechnya?

After the death of Dzhokhar, nothing has changed in me in relation to our family or in relation to the idea of the independence of Ichkeria. But my personal feeling changed, I could not imagine myself without Dzhokhar, it was as if I was unexpectedly hit in the chest. Then we were secretly taken to the second home of a brave and wise man, Dayan, and I sat by his body for three days. Dayan asked me not to mention that Dzhokhar was dead when I was at her house for dinner. He asked me to say that there was one wounded, but not that it was Dzhokhar. “My wife Leila” he said “She couldn’t bear it. He has a weak heart. No need to mourn it in front of them, there would be such a noise that everyone in the village would understand immediately. Instead we have to hide. After her words, I understood that there were still those who loved Dzhokhar, albeit weaker than me in health. And I learned to hide, even as my heart was torn apart by pain. Therefore, when it was necessary to declare Dzhokhar’s death on April 24 in front of journalists from all over the world, I learned to hide my tears and did not cry, I thought about hundreds of sick old women like Leila, what would happen to them when they heard the sad news. And about our enemies, how they would rejoice at Dzhokhar’s death … That’s why I decided to leave the doubt, to Dzhokhar’s enemies who feared him, that he might return.

That very night we snuck him out and buried him. And I witnessed such miracles, when Dzhokhar was raised and carried to the cemetery, that it seemed to me that I had new strength. We left at three in the morning. When we arrived at the cemetery it was still dark which was scary. There was a wall of fog. While the grave was being dug, I sat next to Dzhokhar’s body, behind the fence. And when they came for him and brought him, suddenly the fog cleared, pink-gold rays of the sun appeared, under which everything around shone. And in the blue sky above his grave, flocks of birds were circling, as if they had come to greet or meet him. And they sang!!! Most likely, the Almighty himself met him! I understood that Dzhokhar would not be in the grave, his soul was immediately taken to heaven!

When the Chechen people gathered all their strength and managed to defeat the huge Russian empire, many believed that Dzhokhar was alive and would certainly return. But our enemies have claimed that Dzhokhar, a symbol of independence, fled, leaving his people behind. And then I had to refute these dirty rumors and we made a documentary about the place of his death. In it, I detailed where he was, when it happened and from which side two rockets came, one after the other. The military prosecutor, Magomed Zhaniev, and our former representative in Moscow, Khamad Kurbanov, they died with him. They were immediately taken away by relatives and buried the next day. But many Chechens still didn’t believe me and so I had to write the book “Million First” which became a documentary about the birth, childhood, life and death of Dzhokhar Dudayev .

It was first published in Baku in 2002. Then in six other countries in different languages. By the way, immediately after the book was published, a video was mounted in Chechnya, someone spoke in my voice against the background of my photograph. “I apologize to the Chechen people, I am getting married. I searched for a long time and finally found someone similar to Dzhokhar, only the mustache is different.” This was done intentionally so that my book would not be believed, and some still think that I again married Dzhokhar, who in reality was allegedly wounded, secretly taken out of Chechnya, and then healed. Only many years later the Chechen people finally convinced themselves and stopped waiting for Dzhokhar.

“The immortal city of Grozny” 1995

After the liberation of Grozny in August, Chechnya found itself free, but in constant danger. From April 1996 to February 1997, Dzhokhar’s inheritance passed to Zelimkhan Yandarbiev. He was an old friend of your husband’s. What do you remember about him? What kind of person was he?

Zelimkhan Yandarbiev was a poet and leader of the Vainakh Democratic Party , one of the pioneers of Chechen People’s Freedom. He visited us in Tartu, Estonia and invited Dzhokhar to the first Congress. Dzhokhar made such a brilliant speech that he was elected chairman of the Chechen People’s Executive Committee. Zelimkhan was always next to Dzhokhar and supported him in everything. He was distinguished by great courage and loyalty to the idea of independence, and therefore Dzhokhar, after a series of unsuccessful attempts on his life, instructed him to replace him as president of the CRI in the event of his death. Zelimkhan’s courage can be judged by the famous video in which he did not surrender to President Yeltsin during peace talks in the Kremlin. And he insisted that he move to the place assigned to him, opposite Zelimkhan Yandarbiev. Because the war of 1994-1996 was with the Russian aggressor, who started the war with independent Ichkeria. This was not the “internal conflict” that the Russian media were talking about. And it was not about “restoring constitutional order on the territory of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria”, but about a full-scale war, during which the capital was burned to the ground by Russian bombs, the entire Chechen land was burned and mined ! Zelimkhan in 1997 held the election of a new president of the CRI, although he could have continued to hold office, but he wanted the Chechen people to choose their own president. Although then some blamed him for it. He has always been on the side of legality and democracy.

“Lost World” 1992

After the 1997 elections, the post of president of the republic passed to Aslan Maskhadov. What was your opinion of him? And how did this opinion change during your political tenure before the second Russian invasion?

Aslan Maskhadov inherited a country destroyed by the Russian-Chechen war and thousands wounded, tens of thousands of people without means of subsistence. Dzhokhar Dudayev forbade taking a ransom for captured Russians. But, immediately after his death on April 21, already in May, the oligarch Berezovsky bought out the Russian journalist Elena Masyuk from Chechen captivity for two million dollars. They returned her to the United States, and Bill Clinton, a friend of Yeltsin, solemnly awarded her a massive gold chain on her chest. All this was shown on television and marked the beginning of the hostage trade conducted by the FSK. They often took hostages from the families of wealthy businessmen to the border of the CRI and handed them over to the Chechens, and then divided the ransom through intermediaries, the main one being Berezovsky. The authorities could do nothing about the rampant crimes of the Russian special services. They killed 8 people from the International Red Cross, blaming the Chechens. And they cut off the heads of three foreigners who allegedly provided the republic with telephone communications with the whole world. They tried to show the Chechens as criminals and bandits to the whole world. In 1999, on Putin’s orders, they blew up two houses in Moscow and one in Volgodonsk, accused the Chechens of this crime and started the second Russo-Chechen war. The fate of Aslan Maskhadov was tragic, but he honorably fulfilled his duty and died as a result of a long guerrilla war. I think it was easier for him to live in a tent and fight in the forest alongside his faithful comrades than during his presidency.

“Allah Akhbar!” 1995

The main accusation leveled against Ichkeria between 1996 and 1999 is that it became an Islamic state and abandoned the path started by the 1992 Constitution and which Dzhokhar intended to maintain. What do you think about this topic?

Ichkeria hasn’t become an Islamic state over the years because it was ruled by President Aslan Maskhadov and had a parliament, but Foreign Minister Movladi Udugov created a two-story so-called “Wahhabi” center in the city of Grozny with security and behind a wall. People from Saudi Arabia came to him, who presented themselves to the Chechen people as the most correct Muslims. They stopped cars on the street and checked people’s IDs to see if relatives or women were traveling with unfamiliar men. To then punish them with whips, as well as for drunkenness. Udugov tried to install his emirs in each village to create parallel systems of state administration. In Urus-Martan, the only village not destroyed by bombing because its inhabitants did not take part in the resistance to Russian troops in the first Russo-Chechen war, a “Wahhabi” center was organized and hijabs were brought for women. In addition, small booklets with extracts from the Koran were brought, published in Moscow. There was a Jamaat school in Baku, where our wounded were taken in, and they were taught to pray differently, but they didn’t leave to react. They were subsidized by Moscow. But, I repeat, from 1992 to 1999, Ichkeria did not become an Islamic state and retained its constitution. Much later, already during the partisan war phase, in 2002, Aslan Maskhadov made a statement and changed the constitution by introducing an Islamic one, but only the parliament has the right to make such legislative decisions if there is a quorum and the modification of the constitution by all the people during a referendum.

“Highlander Amatsi” 2002

After Maskhadov’s death, Abdul- Khalim Sadulayev became the successor to the leadership of independent Ichkeria. He stated:

“With the beginning of the Second War, work continued on the drafting of the Constitution in full accordance with the norms of Islam, […] And now article 1 of the Constitution of the CRI accounting: “The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria is a sovereign and independent Islamic state of law, created as a result of the self-determination of the Chechen people. The sources of all decisions are the Koran and the Sunnah.” Thus, we have come to the logical conclusion of the legal reforms initiated by Dzhokhar Dudayev . Do you think these arguments are correct? What do you think about Sadulaev ?

Indeed, Abdul- Khalim Saidulaev , appointed by Maskhadov in case of his death, became Aslan Maskhadov’s successor. But, like Aslan Maskhadov, he was a partisan in the forest and did not have a parliament to change the constitution. Only the parliament has the ability to engage in legislative activities, and only the people have the right to decide such important issues as changing the constitution during a referendum on this issue. The president has the right only to sign the laws passed by the parliament or the decisions of the people during a referendum.

“Free Ichkeria” 2005

Do you think the Chechen diaspora in Europe and the West as a whole will be able to influence governments to intervene decisively in the rebirth of an independent Chechnya? What actions, in your opinion, should be taken by its representatives?

There are now 160,000 Russian troops in Ichkeria. As soon as the changes in Russia begin, the Russian troops left in a foreign country, surrounded by a foreign people, will slowly leave by themselves. Just as Kadyrov and his accomplices will run away, fearing a feud. Our activities, like all past years, took place in the information struggle with those who want to take advantage of the seizure of power in the republic to declare Sharia and themselves at the head of Sharia without the democratic choice of the people in accordance with our constitution. We are the only legitimate authority, the Presidium and its members have never proclaimed themselves illegal “prime ministers” or cabinet presidents. We were approved in our offices by the last president and we have continued our work. And we exist to organize democratic elections for new leaders who will undoubtedly appear among the Chechen people in the course of all these events. We must ensure the continuity of democratic power of the people. Only the people have the right to elect a leader and other structures. In recent years, many educated young Chechens have grown up, who studied at the best universities in Europe. Surely the most active of them will show up and be ready, on a competitive basis, not only to lead the republic, but also the cabinet of ministers.

“Wind of change” 2017

You, of Russian origin, could be represented, if you will allow me an analogy, as a tree with Russian roots and Chechen branches. How do you experience the relationship between these two identities, even after all that has happened?

I am very sorry that the Kremlin has started a war of annihilation with such an amazing people as the Chechens. In the first Russo-Chechen war, at the invitation of the government of Ichkeria, 250 Russian mothers came to Nazran for their captured sons, eighteen-year-old conscripts scattered throughout the republic, finding and taking their sons away from Chechen commanders. This went down in world history, for the first time such a small nation took pity on an army of conquerors and returned the captives without any ransom to their mothers. But, now, almost everyone who opposed the Russian Empire’s aggressive wars has either left Russia or been killed. The Russian people have changed and their army has turned into an army of looters and bandits. However, Russian generals are now taking criminals out of prisons and sending them to fight in Ukraine. And Russia itself evokes completely different feelings among all the peoples of our world. Therefore, everyone is waiting for this last empire of evil and violence to collapse and for its colonial peoples to free themselves and finally become masters of their own land and destiny. And I hope that with the help of Western countries, this will happen much faster than it could be with the Chechen people, who had almost no weapons to defend themselves, most of the machine guns were stolen from the Russian occupiers themselves. And yet he didn’t give up and led the resistance for decades. There were not even a million Chechens, now there are 46 million Ukrainians, and the whole world helps them with weapons and condemnation of Russia’s aggression.

During the war in Chechnya Western politicians declared non-interference in Russia’s internal affairs. Dzhokhar warned that the time might come when the West itself would become Russia’s internal affair. Lo and behold, this moment has come, his words have come true, and they finally woke up! Now Russia is recognized by the West as a terrorist state, although I would call it a terrorist state on an international scale! Because in addition to wars of conquest, it destroys all those who oppose it around the world: Alexander Litvinenko in London, Zelimkhan Yandarbiev in Qatar, Turkey, Austria, Germany, France… it is difficult to list all those killed by name and name the methods of their murder. The Russian government has to answer for its crimes in the same way as Nazi Germany did when the Nuremberg trials took place. Russia is waiting for Nuremberg 2. And I really hope that we will all witness this momentous event and the Russian Empire will sink into oblivion.

“I’ll never forget you” 1989

How did you live, as mother and wife of the late first president, between the first and second wars? I deliberately ask this question in a very general way. Then you can talk about whatever aspect or experience is most important to you.

Between the wars I lived, like most Chechens, in the belief that there would be no more war. People have restored destroyed houses, planted trees and gardens. Life went on. My kids were there and they too thought all the bad stuff was over. After the outbreak of the second war, when the Chechen people were undeservedly accused of blowing up houses in Moscow, everyone understood that this war would become revanchist. And Moscow’s revenge for the victory of the Chechen people in 1996. I had to leave Ichkeria and move to Ingushetia, then to Georgia, to Baku and, finally, to Istanbul. Our family, like many other Chechens, was forced into exile. Throughout Ichkeria, like mushrooms, Russian filtration fields multiplied, they became more than fifty. They were even in Stavropol, Minvody , Pyatigorsk . In them, tens of thousands of Chechens were tortured and killed. Some of the dying or corpses were sold to relatives for burial. It was a terrible time! The Chechen people paid for their desire to be free with their blood! But, in his soul, he has always remained unconquered, because from time immemorial he welcomed all those who entered his house saying: “be free”! And to this day this greeting remains in effect. I am grateful to fate for giving me the opportunity to get to know this proud and humane people, their customs and traditions. A people who would be admired and taken as an example by humanity if they knew it! And I thank Allah for giving me the opportunity to witness so many miracles that I would never have believed if I hadn’t seen them myself. The Chechen people are busy now, but this is only temporary, they have a bright future ahead of them, and new names and new heroes will certainly appear, about which we still do not know anything. After all, no country in the world has as many enthusiasts as the Chechens. People ready to give their lives for the freedom of the people!

I NEWS interviews Francesco Benedetti

A few days ago Francesco Benedetti met Inna Kurochkina in Florence. The interview that emerged takes up the speeches addressed in another chat, which took place more or less a year ago, shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine. In the course of this year many things have changed, Francis’ work has moved forward and with it his awareness of how important the history of Chechnya is for the West.

We reproduce the video of the interview, attaching the transcript in English.

ENGLISH TRANSCRIPTION

First of all I would like to congratulate you from all visitors, subscribers who have already read your first volume. From today it is possible to have this second volume. How is it possible to have it?

First of all thanks to you, and thanks to all those who appreciated the first volume, and who gave me this consideration. The book is currently available in Italian, on Amazon, but will soon be available in English, thanks to the collaboration of Orts Akhmadov, son of Ilyas Akhmadov, who is working with me on the English version, and will soon also be available in Russian and Chechen, as for the first volume.

The other time we met and talked about your book was December 2021 and perhaps we were expecting war, this tragedy. Then we met in Brussels on the first day of the war, when both we and you met Akhmed Zakayev for the first time. With your help we attended some Radicali Italiani events, these very good people who organized Akhmed Zakayev’s visit to Italy, so somehow you are involved in our activities and in Ichkeria’s. How has your life changed during this year?

I have certainly had more real experiences with respect to this theme. I was a simple student of the history of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, but my experience was purely theoretical, abstract, not concrete, material. Since that day I have had the opportunity to speak with many people, and this second book is also written thanks to the memoirs of about a hundred people with whom I have spoken. Thus, my knowledge of that historical experience and of the human experience of the Chechens has grown enormously. From February to today I have given faces, names and lives to an experience that for me until then had only been theoretical.

You and I are working on the history of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, because I am also doing a cycle of chronicles. Do you understand the expression “in your skin”? How did you feel firsthand how the war was coming to Chechnya?

One of the questions I ask myself while studying the history of Chechnya, and in particular when studying this period, was “how would I have felt if I had found myself in that situation?” And I ask myself this question almost every day, because my study is based on the memories of the people I interview, and my interviews focus precisely on this aspect of every historical event: naturally I ask for information, names, dates, etc., but the first question I asked in almost every interview was “how did you feel at that moment?” “How did you spend the period between 26 November and 11 December (the time between the storming of Grozny by the pro-Russian opposition and the invasion). Personally, I try every day to imagine what the feelings of the people waiting for the war were, what they were thinking: their children, their families, how to save their families, how to save their things, their money, their cars, their homes. An event like this can completely destroy life, change people’s lives forever. I think I’m quite an empathic person, and I assure you that writing this book I suffered a lot. Like any author, I often re-read the book I’ve read, and every time I have the same feeling of tragedy on the one hand, and admiration on the other for those people who survived the war, in this case managing to win it, against their invaders .

I would like to understand how you frame the nature of the Chechen people. I was born in Georgia, I’m Ukrainian. I would like to work for the Georgian people, or for the Chechen people, but my whole heart now belongs to the Chechen people, I don’t know why. How could you describe your feeling towards the Chechen people? Because if you fell in love with this people, you did it because you have a passion in you.

I understand what you think because, when I think about it, what happened to me is really strange. I live in Tuscany, and I have no family, economic or any other connection with Chechnya. Yet ever since I was a child, something happened the first time I heard the name “Chechnya”. I don’t know exactly what, an elective affinity that has grown inside me, and I don’t know exactly why.

What I love about the Chechen people about this story is their ability to show happiness in tragedy. In them I have seen people who don’t want to be considered victims, but people who manage to find the beauty of life in everything. They have shown the world how to laugh in the face of death, and how to preserve humanity even in a situation which, if I imagine myself in their place, would strip humanity away from me as well. If a war destroyed my life maybe I’d go crazy. I have spoken to many people who have fought a war and have not gone mad, but rather have kept their kindness, their being good people. I don’t know if I would be able to keep these qualities in myself, fighting a war. I think this character trait of the Chechens is beautiful: the fact that they have managed to keep their happiness and will to live despite going through such bitter experiences.

Knowing this special character trait of this people, let’s think about how much Russia has gone to destroy them. It’s a biblical story for me. What do you think about it?

When a bully tries to hit a victim, and the victim smiles at him, the bully will become even more angry, but will ultimately be defeated by his victim’s resilience. In this sense I loved the struggle of the Chechens who showed the Russians that their spirit would never break.

In this last year we realized that the Ukrainians didn’t understand what the war in Chechnya was, just like the Russians they didn’t care about it. Now they have understood, and the Ukrainian parliament has recognized the independence, the state of occupation and the genocide of the Chechen people. What needs to happen for even Russian liberals to understand this tragedy? In their view of life there is no Chechen war and no Chechen tragedy, and of course there is no Ichkeria. What do you think?

I think Russian liberals are also part of the Russian empire. Maybe they want a “liberal empire”? Maybe it’s nonsense. I don’t think that in this sense there is much difference between the radical parties and the moderate or liberal ones. Everyone wants the same thing: to strengthen the empire, in one form or another. Maybe Russian liberals don’t want to fight the war in Ukraine, but they also don’t want to lose the integrity of their empire. I don’t see anything strange in this. I’m more used to studying and reading the news of another empire, the American one, and the liberals of the American empire are no less angry and aggressive than the nationalists. Citizens of an empire grow up thinking the only way to preserve the country is to stick together and squash any dissonant voices.

I was very surprised by your “hobby”. I’m going to show snippets from one of your band’s videos, which is called “Inner Code”. Tell me about this song about empire. I’m so surprised because you’re from Florence, we can’t relate the concept of “empire” with the city of Rome, which is so beautiful.

Rome in this song is the archetype of the empire. When we think of the Roman Empire we think of the empire by definition. The Russian Empire itself is inspired by the Roman Empire. The word “Tsar” is the translation of the Latin “Caesar”, the Kaiser of the German Empire is the Germanic translation of “Caesar”, and so on. “He will burn Rome” speaks of the fall of Rome, but by extension it speaks of the fall of all empires. No matter how big and strong, every empire will fall sooner or later. When I listen to this song I find a connection with the story we are talking about, being a story that can work with any empire, even the Russian one. However, I recommend listening to the song at a low volume!

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Basically, everything we are talking about revolves around the word “Freedom”. You are a free person in all respects, as I see. Do you see the freedom of Ichkeria under attack? Do you think the imperial forces, the FSB , want to cancel this goal of freedom? We perceive these attacks, for example those that are being carried out against Akhmed Zakayev, a person who is a symbol of freedom of Ichkeria. Do you perceive these attacks from Italy?

I guess this behavior is consistent with the situation. I have an indirect perception of this, because unfortunately Italian newspapers don’t report much on what is happening in Chechnya or in the Chechen diaspora. However, having some contact with members of the Chechen diaspora due to my studies, I imagine that these people are talking about present and future plans to achieve independence and freedom for Chechnya and sometimes they do it in heated discussions, or getting angry. I speak as an Italian, I don’t think I have the right to tell the Chechens what they have to do. Only, seeing what is happening in the Chechen diaspora from the outside, I notice that there are “unresolved issues” and it is possible that the FSB , or anyone who does not want an independent Chechnya, could emphasize these divisions on the pro-independence front to weaken it. I hope people don’t fall into this trap. I don’t know if Chechnya’s independence is far or near, but it is important that at every step we find ourselves in the best condition to gather all our strength together to win freedom.

In recent months, also thanks to you and to the Italian Radicals (I am thinking of the meeting in Rome between Zakayev and Benedetto della Vedova, the speech to the Italian parliament, the recognition of Ichkeria by the Ukrainian parliament, the just finished speech by Zakayev at the European Parliament etc.) we have seen an evolution in the proposal of the government of Ichkeria. In Brussels, Zakayev presented a project for the reconstitution of the Republic of the Mountain, established in 1918 and dissolved by the Bolsheviks, and which Zviad Gamsakhurdia and Dzhokhar Dudaev at the time wanted to reconstitute in the 1990s. Now Zakayev is carrying out this idea, this project, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Inal Sharip has gone to Washington DC and is presenting it there. As a historian, do you think this project of the Mountain Republic is safer, more feasible than independent Chechnya? Do you think Chechnya alone could survive its monstrous neighbors?

I think creating a confederation is very difficult, but if it is led by a strong center, it can multiply the strength of every single member. If the confederation is a simple sum of subjects I don’t think it will last long. An example can be that of the European Union: a sum of countries, but its strength is not equivalent to the sum of the forces that compose it. Because each country defends its interests, and this is a problem because a state built like this cannot resist the forces of countries like the United States, Russia, China. The problem with our confederation is that we don’t have a center, a nation that holds all the others together. And every time one of the European nations takes supremacy, the others fight against it. So our European confederation is politically weak. If the Chechens want to lead a confederation they don’t have to do it like the Europeans did. If they are credible enough to attract other nations into a confederation of which they are the centre, not as an imperial centre, but as the place of those who believe most of all in this project, and who are ready to sacrifice themselves for it more than the others to keep everyone together, then I think this is a political project that can last. Like, for example, the United States, which is a confederacy that, after some major problems, has become the most powerful nation on earth. A confederation, therefore, can last, but you need a center that has the credibility and strength to hold all the others together, not by force but by setting an example. I think the Chechens have shown the world great examples more than once.

In 1997 Russia and Chechnya signed a peace treaty which was later betrayed. What do you think about the desire of the world community to persuade Ukraine to sign a similar treaty with Russia?

Looking at history, it is perfectly understood that the real value of documents depends on whether or not they reflect the real situation. In 1997 Russia signed a peace treaty, but while it was signing it was preparing its second invasion. In my opinion, if he now accepts a compromise with Russia, this compromise will in no case fix any situation, because I don’t think the Russians would be satisfied, and neither would the Ukrainians. I believe that a compromise now would only be a way of moving the war forward by three or four years. I believe that this is a moment in which it is necessary to solve a problem that was born in Chechnya. In a wonderful review by Adriano Sofri, an Italian who knows Chechnya well, and who wrote a wonderful article on this book, he says that what happened in Ukraine is a remake of what happened in Chechnya and Georgia, and that Ukraine is the end of a line that starts in Chechnya. It is time to break this line once and for all, otherwise we will have to add another point to this line in four or five years. As a European I reflect on the fact that this line does not go away from Europe, but from Chechnya towards Europe. The next point will be even closer to our home, not further away. I think Europe should think about this. If they don’t stop this process now, they will face it again even closer to home.

Back to the Constitution: Francesco Benedetti interviews Ikhvan Gerikhanov (Part 2)

In April 21, 1996, President Dudayev was killed, and Vice-President Yandarbiev assumed his interim powers. How did your relationship with him develop?

After the treasonous assassination of the President, I returned to Grozny and actively participated in the preparation of the new elections. I returned to my duties when President Yandarbiev accepted my condition that the Constitutional Court could begin its work only after the annulment of the unconstitutional decree concerning its dissolution in April 1993. This happened with the Decree from these promulgated on November 12, 1996, in which it was clarified that the dissolution order issued by Dudaev was to be considered devoid of any legal effect. At that point I started forming a new team of judges for the court, having to make up for the expressed refusal of some of the old members to collaborate with the new government, as well as the defections of others, who had left the territory of the Republic.

During his mandate, Yandarbiev initiated a series of legislative interventions aimed at establishing an Islamic republic, such as, for example, the creation of Sharia courts. Were these measures constitutionally correct? Has the Constitutional Court sanctioned them?


To take a specific decision on the introduction of Sharia courts, the Constitutional Court did not yet have the necessary quorum for a vote and the approval of the judges was and is the prerogative of the Parliament of the Chechen Republic, which during this period had not yet been renewed. Actions aimed at introducing Sharia courts directly contradict the Constitution of the Chechen Republic, which I have repeatedly expressed in the media and personally to Yandarbiev.

Zelimkhan Yandarbiev


Following the January 1997 presidential elections, Aslan Maskhadov became president. How was your work under his tenure?


After the election of President and of the Parliament, I have actively collaborated with the institutions and have looked for candidates to complete the ranks of the Constitutional Court , and obtain their nomination by the Parliament. However I failed to complete this task, due to the situation in the Republic and the introduction of Sharia courts. However, as head of the highest judicial authority, I have actively participated in all legal activities of national importance.

By Presidential Decree of May 6 , 1996, I was appointed an expert in the process of negotiating and drafting documents on relations between the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and the Russian Federation, and also headed the office of the State Legal Commission to develop and improve the constitutional principles , with the creation of a code of Islamic law CHRI. This order was presented to the President on May 20, 1997. This code of laws was personally prepared by me and delivered to President Maskhadov under the name ” Korta Nizam “, meaning “main consensus”: this project included the combination of Muslim and secular law, without radical deviations from the mentality and customs ( adat ) of the Chechen people, but taking into account the rules of conduct for a Muslim according to the Koran and the Sunnah of our Prophet (SAS). This law should have been voted on in a referendum and subsequently should have been adopted by the Parliament. If the Chechen people had approved this bill, after it was adopted by its legislative body, it would have acquired the status of Constitution as Basic Law of the country.However, once again, the crisis of the institutions has not allowed this to be discussed, and possibly integrated into the Fundamental Law of the State.

In addition to this, I was involved in the work as a member of the State Commission for the Development of the National Security Doctrine of the CRI, according to the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of July 31, 1997. Basically, we worked on guarantees for the country’s national security and so that the invasion of our country would not be repeated over the decades. We have tried to establish ChRI in the world community as a subject of international law and find protection through international institutions. In addition, we have worked on consolidating our statehood through the Charter of the United Nations, which should be the document guaranteeing our security, both as a state and as a whole and as an ethnic group in communion with the whole civilized world. Constitutional Court member Seda Khalidova worked actively with me. In 1997 we met with the new Chairman of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation M. Baglai and even prepared an agreement on the interaction of the two highest state judicial bodies. This draft agreement was not approved by the parties, for the well-known reasons we have already mentioned.

As the radical forces consolidated in the country, the possibility of creating an Islamic state was increasingly discussed. How could this idea fit into the 1992 Constitution?


In no way. The Constitution of the CRI and its norms are mandatory, i.e. mandatory, regardless of the situation, if changes to individual articles of the Constitution have not been made in accordance with the requirements of this Basic Law.

At the end of 1998, Maskhadov was tried by the Sharia court. Was this court constitutionally legal? Do you remember this process?

By that time I had left the republic and worked at the International Arbitration Tribunal, but as one of the authors of the 1992 Constitution of the Chechen Republic, I can state that such a decision grossly violates the requirements of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic!

How did your experience as President of the Constitutional Court ended?

I resigned in March 1998, after an unconstitutional vote of no confidence in the President of the Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic, ie in me, for my position against the introduction of Sharia courts and the use of public executions. In the Parliament of the CRI on the second convocation there were deputies who had their own candidates for the post of President of the Tribunal and, frankly, had their own mercantile interests, which under my leadership they could not have realized. Moreover, the very discussion regarding the issue of mistrust of me is an unconstitutional process, if I have not committed a crime or if, for health reasons, I cannot fulfill my duties, or I have committed other actions contrary to the ideas of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the state, prescribed by the law “On the activities of the Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic”, adopted in 1992.

This question was initiated by two deputies, one of whom, as it was later established, worked for the FSB of Russia. The second deputy brought his name into disrepute during the proceedings of the first convocation Parliament. Their names are known and they, being refugees in Europe, continue to harm the legitimate authorities of the CRI.

Chechnya, 1997: Religious police impose corporal punishment for drunkenness

After the start of the Second Russo-Chechen War and Russia’s second invasion of the country, martial law was introduced in the CRI. Aslan Maskhadov’s mandate would have expired in February 2002, but he remained in office until his assassination in 2005. If you recall, what measure extended his mandate up to this point?

First of all, we must proceed from the fact that the President of the CRI, in accordance with the requirements of the Constitution of the CRI, declared martial law in connection with the invasion of the aggressor into the sovereign territory of the country.

Secondly, in connection with martial law and the purpose of centralized government, the chairman of the CRI, Aslan Maskhadov, issued a decree on October 5, 1999 on the introduction of martial law on the territory of the republic and the adoption of Annex No . 1 to it, according to which all state structures were subordinated to the established State Defense Committee (GKO), with the wording that ” all authorities stop their work of norm-setting “. Furthermore, the State Defense Committee, since martial law was declared, has been approved as ” the highest collegial body of state power…”. And with resolution no. 217, adopted at the same time, by decision of the GKO, the President of the CRI was endowed with additional powers corresponding to the highest legislative and executive power!

Thus, the chairman of the CRI, Aslan Maskhadov, as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the CRI and the head of the country’s State Defense Committee, during this wartime period could not and had no legal right to leave this post and remained in place until his treasonous assassination by Russian punishers.

After Maskhadov’s assassination, power passed to Vice President Abdul Khalim Sadulayev. Was such a transfer of power constitutionally acceptable?

Of course, and this right is enshrined in art. 75 of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic, which provides that in case of removal from office of the President or in other cases in which the President cannot perform his duties, the Vice-President is required to assume full powers.

After the assassination of Sadulaev , power passed to Dokku Umarov , who proclaimed himself President. There appear to be differences between the Maskhadov-Sadulayev succession and the Sadulayev- Umarov power . What do you think is the difference between these two phenomena?

I don’t see much difference, since CRI president Abdul- Khalim Sadulaev , by decree dated June 2, 2005, appointed Umarov Doku as Vice President of the CRI. As it was indicated above, the State Defense Committee is the only state authority for the period of martial law in the country, and such actions to transfer powers do not go beyond the legislation of the CRI, although they are of a temporary nature, until the end of war and the lifting of the state of emergency.

In October 2007, Umarov announced the dissolution of the CRI as part of the Caucasus Emirate. Is this process unconstitutional?

These actions grossly violate the requirements of the Constitution of the CRI and are criminally punishable as liquidation of the state system and its power structures!

Dokku Umarov (center) last President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and founder of the Caucasus Emirate


A few months after the birth of the Caucasus Emirate, the current Chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers, Akhmed Zakayev, was elected to his current position by still capable deputies. How did this nomination come about? Was it constitutionally correct?

This process can be explained at length and it is impossible to complete it in this interview due to its large volume in the description. There is my October 10, 2020 Expert Opinion [attached at the bottom of this interview, NDR], made at the request of the Council of Elders of Europe, which has done a great job of consolidating disparate structures, as each of them it is declared a legitimate authority in accordance with the Constitution of the CRI. During this period, I was not a member of any diaspora or power group, so I conducted a thorough analysis and evaluation of the requirements of the Constitution of the CRI, as one of its authors and a scientist in the field of jurisprudence, and concluded that the CRI government in exile is a legitimate state authority of the CRI.

Is it true that in 2002 all powers were transferred to the GKO and that so far the institutional power of the CRI derives from the decisions of this committee, now renamed the State Deoccupation Commitee?

Yes, it is this structure that continues to have the status of the only state authority of the CRI, as the successor to the State Defense Committee, represented by the State Deoccupation Commitee of the annexed territory by the Russian Armed Forces and their protégés.

From the point of view of constitutional law, can the current CRI authorities represented by the Cabinet of Ministers, chaired by Akhmed Zakaev , recognize themselves as legitimate?

Yes, and this does not contradict the requirements of the Constitution of the CRI, and proof of this is the fact that it was approved by the legal successor of the state power of the CRI – the State Deoccupation Commitee. A detailed analysis of the legitimacy of the Cabinet of Ministers of the CRI is contained in the opinion of 10.10.2020.

FREEDOM SOLD OR WAR BOUGHT? – REFLECTIONS BY APTI BATALOV (part 2)

The sharp deterioration of Russian-Chechen relations and the intensification of activities by the Russian special services in Ichkeria and neighboring territories began with Putin’s appointment as Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. Armed provocations were staged on the Russian-Chechen border. In April 1999, for example, Russian forces attacked a Chechen border post along the Kizlyar section of the border at night, killing one guard and wounding several others. This was evidently an attempt to draw the Chechens into an armed conflict in Dagestan. However Maskhadov, realizing what the Russians wanted to achieve, forbade any retaliatory action across the border. The Russian provocation, therefore, was not followed up. The next action was staged in the Herzel section of the border in May 1999. Fierce fighting took place here for several days, during which even field artillery was used. The Russians’ plan was the same – to lure the Dagestanis to their side. Once again, however, the President of Ichkeria managed to preserve the peace between the Chechen and Dagestani peoples. Even this cowardly enterprise failed, the Russians began to threaten the country with all kinds of ultimatums.

Aslan Maskhadov (left) and Alexander Lebed (right) sign the Khasavyurt’s Accords, August 1996

President Yeltsin’s second term was coming to an end, and to save themselves from prison this drunkard’s entourage began frantically looking for a replacement. However, this group did not have a candidate who could validly oppose Primakov, and with the latter’s coming to power, all this mess would end: everything they plundered would be confiscated from them. In an attempt to find a good man they first turned to Stephasin, who refused. After these appeared Putin, like a devil from a snuffbox. He was ready to accept all the conditions stipulated by the Yeltsin clique. However , he was not yet popular enough to oppose Primakov. Thus it was that the public relations specialists, led by Berezovsky, Voloshin and Pavlovsky played the “Chechen card” in favor of Putin.

Every presidential campaign in modern “democratic” Russia is shrouded in tragedy and blood. At that time the GRU and the FSB flooded Chechnya with their agents. The services were infiltrated into the restricted circle of Chechen political-military leaders, taking advantage of the latter’s indifference in the selection of their entourage, soon becoming confidants of their godfathers. As the struggle for the presidency intensified in Moscow, Russian agents accelerated their provocative and subversive activities, as was evident from the events that began to occur in Ichkeria. I recall that in the spring of 1997 rumors began to circulate about the imminent unification of Chechnya and Dagestan into a single Islamic state, and that a “cleansing” of Russians would soon begin in preparation for this unification. Various kinds of figures and emissaries began to appear in Chechnya, coming from Dagestan. These men found great hospitality, and the support of those who supported them. Without encountering any significant opposition from the authorities, supporters of the Imamate began to promote the idea of creating a Chechen-Dagestan state “to marry Dagestan to Ichkeria” as one of them put it.

Some time later, a congress of the Chechen and Dagestani peoples was held in Dzhokhar, in the presence of the same leadership of Ichkeria. Shamil Basayev was elected Imam of Chechnya and Dagestan, with the aim of establishing an Imamate. Analyzing everything that was happening, it was obvious that this was being done under the direction of the Lubyanka , but any sober remarks regarding this adventure met with strong opposition from the “advocates of pure Islam”, anyone who dared to say something objective in this matter he would have been branded as an “apostate”, an agent of the Russians, a Jew or belonging to other categories considered hostile to the Chechens.

Shamil Basayev and Al Khattab, the two main animators of the Congress of Peoples of Ichkeria and Dagestan

After using all sorts of provocations against Ichkeria, starting with the financing of slave traders and ending with battles on the Russian-Chechen border, without results, the Russian revanchists used the risk of an Islamic insurrection in the Caucasus as a strong argument for the 1999 presidential campaign. In the summer of 1999, Basayev and his supporters accelerated preparations for the invasion of Dagestan, making no secret of their plans. The leadership of Ichkeria, being in a serious internal crisis, did not have the opportunity to intervene.

At the end of August , more precisely on August 28, 1999, a meeting of the State Defense Committee (GKO) was held in the building of the Presidential Administration. Almost all of the country’s military-political leadership attended this meeting, as well as religious figures and some members of Parliament. The main argument was evidently the invasion of Dagestan. Basayev had shown himself to the whole world in the territory of Dagestan, with a watermelon in his hand. The GKO was expected to make a decision on this issue , and a proposal was made to ask Basayev to immediately leave Dagestan, and return to Chechnya.

The meeting took place in a tense atmosphere: the president assessed the situation as very difficult, and harshly accused Basayev of having exposed the Chechen people to serious consequences. Finally, he urged those present to prepare to repel the invasion of the Russians, as, according to him, another war was inevitable at this point. At the end of his speech, the President asked the members of the State Defense Committee to express their opinion on this issue. On the eve of the GKO meeting, I hoped that a collective statement condemning the actions of Shamil Basayev would be presented: I am sure that Shamil would not have remained indifferent to the GKO’s pronouncement. Yet this did not happen. Without boring the reader with a list of the names of those present, I will say that there were 35/40 people there. For the most part the speakers expressed little, and not very clearly. A clear and unequivocal position on the matter was expressed by no more than 3 – 4 people. Among them was Akhmed Zakayev. In his speech the Minister of Culture supported and approved Basayev’s actions without hesitation. I, in turn, called Basayev’s actions a crime against the Chechen people. Many of those who condemn Basayev’s action today remained silent then. The lack of a unanimous decision on this issue was a mistake on the part of the GKO. The leadership of Ichkeria, with its fragmentation, showed the side of Russian anti-Chechen propaganda. Our short-sightedness was very useful to the Russian revanchists.

www.freedomordeath.net – The book series website is online

Yesterday we celebrated the entry into our library of a new version of the first volume of the series – the Chechen language version. At this point there are 4 languages in which it is possible to read “Freedom or Death!” and with the publication of the second volume in Italian (which will be followed by the English, Russian and Chechen versions within a few months) we thought it would be useful to offer a general overview of our book offering. This is why we have just put online a small site dedicated solely to the book,

www.freedomordeath.net

Enjoy your visit!

Freedom or death! History of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria: The second volume in Italian is out today

The war in Ukraine started in Chechnya. It may seem like a provocation. Yet, this is the reality that the pages of this second volume reveal, entirely dedicated to the First Russo-Chechen War. The genesis, development and unfolding of this bloody conflict seem to be the draft of the script that the world has been witnessing in recent months between the Donbass and the Crimea.

Even then, as now, Russia invaded a free state, disguising the war it was waging behind the label of a “special operation.”

Even then, as now, the enemy of the Russian state had been labeled and demonized: if Zelensky and his government are called “Nazis” today, Dudayev and his ministers were then called “bandits”.

Even then, as today, convinced of their superiority, the military commands marched on the capital, claiming to bend a people to their will, as they had done several times in Soviet times. But even then, as now, they were forced to withdraw, only to unleash a bloody all-out war, the most devastating European war since 1945.

The First Russo-Chechen War was the first tragic product of Russian revanchism: the “zero point” of a parable that from Grozny leads to Kiev, passing through Georgia, Crimea, Belarus and Donbass. With one substantial difference: that the Russians lost that first war against Chechnya. Their imperial ambitions, resting on the worn foundations of a crumbling empire, ended up frustrated by the stubbornness of a nation immensely inferior in number and means, to that of Ukraine, which today defends its land from the war unleashed by Putin.

This story can teach those who have the patience to read it two important lessons: what happens when you indulge the ambitions of an empire, and how do you defeat it. If it is already too late to put the first into practice, we still have time for the second.

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Back to the Constitution: Francesco Benedetti interviews Ikhvan Gerikhanov

Dr. Ikhvan Gerikhanov has served the Chechen Republic since 1991. Doctor in law and specialist in comparative studies in international law, with the statute od judge of the highest category, Gerikhanov was Member of the Executive Committee of the National Congress of the Chechen People, Deputy of Parliament on first convocation, and President of the Constitutional Court from 1993 to 1998. He was one of the main authors of the Constitution of 1992, which still today represents the Basic Law of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria.

Today Gerikhanov is the head of the national war crimes tribunal in the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. About this activity, he said: “The objective of our trinbunal is the collection and evaluation of evidence for the assessment of the presence of signs of genocide and ethnocide of the chechen people, starting from the the time of the Tsar’s autocracy, the communist regime and the modern russian invasion on our territory”.

He currently resides in France. The French government refused him and his family a few weeks ago, political refugee status.

We had a long conversation with him about the Constitution, the legitimacy of ChRI governments, as well as some of the most controversial laws, not forgetting his work as President of the Constitutional Court.

Ikhvan Gerikhanov in front of the text of the newly approved Constitution

Dr. Gerikhanov, when talk about a constitution started?

The first debates regarding the writing of the Constitution began at the moment of the creation of the Provisional Supreme Soviet, on September 7, 1991. This body was attended by former deputies of the Chechen-Ingush Supreme Soviet and popular representatives, and was headed by the future Speaker of the Parliament of the Chechen Republic, Hussein Akhmadov. Joint commissions were created, including a juridical commission for the elaboration of legislative projects concerning the election of the President and the Parliament of the Republic. As a member of the National Congress of the Chechen People (OKChN) and as the only legal scholar (at that time I was a district court judge of the Leninsky district of Grozny, and had recently defended a dissertation on international law at the University of Kiev) I was included in this legal commission, chaired by the former Second Secretary of the regional party committee, Lechi Magomadov. A wonderful person. Many people from all professional backgrounds participated in the discussion of these projects. The discussion was publicized in the media, including through television. Every citizen of the Republic was able to participate.

In 1994, when the war broke out, Magomadov would have been among the main exponents of the unionist government. Don’t you think that the work he did in the legal commission contradicts the choice to take the side of Russia during the First World War?

Magomadov was first of all a worthy and loyal person. Secondly, he fully supported the decisions of the Chechen People’s Congress. At that time he supported the reasons of the people, and did not participate in any opposition. From his work the Chechen nation only benefited. He died in Mecca during the pilgrimage.

If we had to judge people by the episodes, keep in mind that between 2010 and 2012 I directed the Arbitration Tribunal of the Chechen Republic, which is not part of the power system, but helps all those who turn to it in the resolution of civil cases . Due to conflicts with the local authorities, as well as the fact that I refused to pay the “tribute”, they tried to initiate a criminal case against me. And for this reason I was forced to leave my fatherland and my father’s house once again.

Therefore, one cannot judge people by episodes, as life makes its own adjustments, and sometimes a person is forced to live side by side with the enemy. Some supporters of independence still work in various structures today, while in the republic the protégés of the Kremlin rule. This does not mean that they have betrayed the idea of \u200b\u200bfreedom!

In the elections of 27 October 1991 you were elected deputy. Do you remember how Parliament developed the work on the Constitution?

I was elected in the Nadterechny constituency. Once formed, the Parliament adopted as a basis the draft already developed by the legal commission of the Provisional Supreme Soviet and, after a general discussion which also took place through the media, in the presence of journalists, jurists and simple interested parties, the Parliament adopted the Constitution of the Republic Chechen on March 12, 1991, a year and a half before Russia adopted its own. Personally, I was one of the main co-authors of the Constitution. The deputies did not have much time to adopt the Basic Law, since Russia had already declared the election of the President and Parliament illegal, and it was urgent to consolidate sovereignty by law, as promised to the Chechen National People’s Congress. Within the walls of the parliament of the Chechen Republic, in the body of lawyers’ deputies, there were very few lawyers, only four people out of 41 deputies, and it was not easy to adopt the Constitution when the body of deputies consisted of former farm workers and builders. But we all faced this task, and the Constitution of the Chechen Republic was adopted by the Parliament of the Chechen Republic, and we all rejoiced this holiday, regardless of profession and religion!

There were many opposition supporters in Nadterechny District. They declared that the elections were a farce and that they did not take place in their controlled areas. How do you respond to these accusations?

During the election period, there were opposition supporters in Nadterechny District, but only in one place, not everywhere. The population still did not realize what was happening, and was rather neutral. I have personally met with voters in two large settlements, where they know me well, and the electoral commission received the ballots and prepared the elections. Two representatives were elected in this constituency. Unfortunately my colleague died heroically in the First War!

After the promulgation of the constitution, the institutions foreseen by the Basic Law began to be established. One of these was the Constitutional Court, of which you were elected president in March 1993. How did this constitution process take place?


In early 1992, the Parliament of the Chechen Republic adopted the law “On the activities of the Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic” and, according to it, the number of judges was determined at seven people. Well-known lawyers from the Republic, from the Ministry of Justice, from the Public Prosecutor’s Office and from the Supreme Court of the Republic took part in the election of the President of the Constitutional Court. Usman Imaev was nominated by the President of the Chechen Republic, while my fellow deputies convinced me to participate in these elections. I can say that all the judges of the Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic were highly qualified specialists and experienced lawyers. I can be proud of all my colleagues who have had the opportunity to work with them, especially Judge Seda Khalidova, who went through a very difficult path with us and did not become a defector from another government, as some judges have done.

The three leaders of the first call parliament: from left to right, Bektimar Mezhidov (Vice-President), Hussein Akhmadov (President), Magomed Gushakayev (Vice-President)

Why did Dudayev want Imaev in that role?

Usman Imaev was a very knowledgeable lawyer and an excellent executor of all orders of Dzhokhar Dudayev. I would have been happy and satisfied if he had been elected head of the Constitutional Court, but the Parliament saw me, probably, not as an executor of someone else’s orders, but as a learned lawyer, and a person of principle. For example, once elected I was the first of the chechen leaders to meet V. Zorkin, President of the Russian Constitutional Court. On that occasion we prepared a joint agreement ready to be signed, but this was not possible due to the current crisis of power in the Republic.

What activities did the Constitutional Court perform?

The Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic fulfilled its direct duties of protection of the constitutional order and in strict compliance with the provisions of the Constitution, regardless of the origin of the legislative acts, be it the President or the Parliament.

We have repeatedly made decisions on the inconsistency of our Constitution with the Decrees of the President and the Parliament of the Chechen Republic, which at first were taken for granted.
Then, when the confrontation between the legislative and executive bodies became an open conflict, the intervention of our court, and that of its president were not fully received correctly and each side wanted to see the Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic as “partisan ”, which was impossible, because the court was established to protect the constitutional order and not the branches of power.

The Constitution establishes that Parliament holds the legislative power, and this has the right to approve presidential appointments and to control the work of civil servants. President Dudayev’s reluctance to follow these instructions has led to serious tensions between the president and parliament. What was the origin of these tensions?

The main reason for the confrontation between the legislature and the executive was the misunderstanding or non-acceptance of the fact that the Republic was parliamentary. Many members of the government, including the President, could not bear it. At the very beginning of the confrontation between these branches of power, the Constitutional Court and its chairman issued dozens of official statements on the need to follow the requirements of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic and on the fact that such an escalation of tension could lead to consequences unpredictable.

I don’t know the reason behind this non-acceptance of the parliamentary nature of the Republic, but I can say that around Dudayev there were many sycophants who could influence his decision. I myself was dumbfounded by his behavior, when he sent a late night messenger asking me or advice on key legal matters. After agreeing on these matters, Dzhokhar publicly stated the opposite, and when I asked him why he did this, he referred to unknown people who convinced him against our agreement!

Many members of the entourage of the President of the Chechen Republic literally influenced Dzhokhar Dudayev about the negative influence of the parliament of the Chechen Republic in state building, having their own personal and mercantile interests. Issues of a legislative nature were resolved at the household level, ignoring the requirements of the Constitution and other regulatory acts. First of all, it was a confrontation between the forces of order: the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Each of them resolved the issue from the point of view of his participation in the process of declaring sovereignty, and not from the legal point of view of fulfilling his direct duties.
All this led to chaos and mutual misunderstanding, while those who could not be authorized to manage state bodies also very actively intervened: various parties, organizations of the elderly, athletes and cultural figures, who were assigned positions in based on their popularity in their business field.


On April 10 and 17, 1993, President Dudayev issued a series of decrees establishing direct presidential rule and dissolving parliament, decrees which were declared illegal by the Constitutional Court. Do you remember exactly what these decrees contained and why he declared them illegal?

The Constitutional Court has recognized the President’s Decrees regarding the dissolution of the supreme legislative body as illegitimate, as they grossly contradict the provisions of the Constitution. The content of the decree of the President of the Chechen Republic on the dissolution of the supreme legislative body of the country stated that, in order to preserve the sovereignty and political system, and due to the loss of confidence in it, in accordance with Art. 73 of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic the Parliament of the Chechen Republic should have been dissolved. In truth, the art. 73 of the Constitution of the CRI does not guarantee the President these powers, not even in times of war. He could suspend the activities of all authorities by imposing martial law, but this was not done at the time, since there was no reason to do so. The action exercised by Dudayev, in legal language is called “seizure of power”. which is prohibited by art. 2 of the Constitution.

As mentioned above, the Constitutional Court has applied all means to resolve this conflict and, as the head of the highest legislative body, I have personally asked and spoken to the President of the Parliament and almost all the deputies, as well as the President of the Republic, so that this confrontation would not result in a violation of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic and in an armed conflict. However, each side considered itself on the right side, and we are all witnesses and eyewitnesses of what happened next. The Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic, on the basis of the obligation to control and safeguard the state system, has correctly pronounced the illegitimacy of the acts of dissolution of the supreme legislative body, not being able otherwise by the judicial body, called to respond to violations of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic.


In the same period, the parliament called a referendum on trust in President Dudayev and in Parliament itself, which the Constitutional Court deemed acceptable. Was this referendum legitimate?


When the confrontation between legislative and executive authority reached a critical point, the Parliament made use of its constitutional right, provided for by paragraph 24 of art. 64 of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic on the popular vote, to hold a referendum on the issue of trust in the authorities and regarding the form of government of the state. This decision is the prerogative of the Parliament of the Chechen Republic and only it can take such a decision, if it deems it necessary, without the consent of any branch of power. These days the crisis of power, with the exception of the judiciary, was in full swing and turned into an open confrontation, with the subsequent armed intervention of the police forces during the dissolution of the Parliament of the Chechen Republic.

Dzhokhar Dudaev votes in the elections of 27 October 1991

On June 3, 1993, Dudayev rejected the opinion of the Constitutional Court regarding the legitimacy of the referendum, declaring it a “perversion of the law”. Why, in your opinion, was Dudayev so against the referendum?


We have tried to solve this process with all diplomatic methods, up to involving respected people and elders. A conciliation group was created headed by the president of the Academy of Sciences, doctor of physical and mathematical sciences Khamzat Ibragimov, in which I was also included. I spoke to Dzhokhar repeatedly on this matter, but after every conversation he did not operate as required by the Constitution. He believed, like everyone in his entourage, that the parliament of the Chechen Republic acts in favor of the opposition, and that the parliamentarians themselves are on several “barricades” of this crisis.

After the coup d’état of 4 June 1993, the Constitutional Court remained the only institution recognized by the Constitution on a permanent basis. On 18 June it issued a statement on the illegality of the government’s actions. Do you remember the contents of this court statement? What reactions has it elicited?



The Constitutional Court of the Chechen Republic suspended work on the administration of justice on my initiative, because after the court decision on the illegality of dissolving the Parliament of the Chechen Republic, our judges and staff began to fear retribution from the radicals , who saw in this decision only an opposition to the President of the Chechen Republic and nothing else. In this regard, this opinion still remains rooted in some supporters of sovereignty today, although there was and could not be any conflict between the Constitutional Court and the President, neither at an institutional level, nor at a personal level. The highest judicial body, within its powers, performed the duties assigned to it to protect the Constitution and the constitutional order, revealing violations that ignored the requirements of the Basic Law of the land, regardless of grades and degrees, and the position held in power and in this society.


How did relations develop between you and Dudayev, and between you and the government in general, after June 1993? Are you under pressure, threats or attempts on your life?

There was no, and there could be no public persecution and threats, since even to my detractors it was clear that I was fulfilling my duties, regardless of the roles and positions of violators of the requirements of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic.


With the outbreak of the First Russo-Chechen War the authorities of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria were placed under martial law. As a lawman, and a senior state official, how did you serve the cause of independence?


Since the beginning of the first war in December 1994, I have been at the forefront of opponents of armed conflict and have organized national and international conferences, as well as roundtables on the cessation of hostilities in my Motherland, condemning Russia’s military and political leadership. Having the moral and institutional responsibility to preserve sovereignty, as well as to stop hostilities on our territory, as president of the Constitutional Court, I have adopted all the methods and means at my disposal to inform the world and the Russian public opinion about the crime of this war and about the existence of the ongoing genocide against my people. To do this, I involved Russian government officials, as well as personally holding press conferences and organizing international conferences, with the participation of world-renowned scientists, conflict specialists and experts from the United Nations.

A number of conferences were held in the building of the international organization “Federation of Peace and Accord”, which has an advisory office at the United Nations. I would like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to the leadership of this organization, especially to the deputy chairman of the Society, MGIMO professor Andrey Melvil, who impartially helped me and provided every opportunity for the world to hear the voice of the Chechen people, who was being exterminated under carpet bombing by the Russian military forces.

Gerikhanov (right) participates in the negotiations for the release of hostages during the Budennovsk crisis

One of the events that saw you protagonist in the period 1994 – 1996 were the negotiations following the Budennovsk hostage crisis. Why were you involved in these negotiations, and how did they unfold?

During this time I was in Moscow and was approached by the Minister of Nationalities of Russia V. Mikhailov, who asked me for help in freeing the hostages, as I was one of the highest officials of the republic. Naturally I could not refuse this request, knowing that the hostages were women and children. Considering myself morally responsible and in general, as a lawyer and also as a simple person, not accepting this way of making war, I went to the place. Upon arrival in Budennovsk, I went to the headquarters for the release of hostages, where N. Yegorov, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation, Stepashin, the director of the FSB and other officials of the Russian side were. Then I went to the hospital, and finally participated in the negotiations and drafting of the documents relating to the conditions for the release of the hostages. At the same time, I had to involve the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation V. Chernomyrdin in this process through Mikhailov in order to have guarantees that the conditions set by Shamil Basaev were met.

My participation in the release of the hostages was decisive, because knowing the situation, I assumed responsibility as an official and as a Chechen: without this happening it would have been impossible to complete this negotiation. I was helped in this by two other compatriots of mine, whom I thank for the courage shown in this situation, in which we were all risking our lives. The important thing was that the result was positive: the hostages were released (over 1200 hostages, mostly women and children) and hostilities on the territory of the republic were stopped, which saved tens and hundreds of civilian lives, and started a dialogue between the warring parties which ended with negotiations peacemakers of Khasavyurt.

Besides that, you worked for the establishment of an international tribunal for Chechnya.

In 1995-1996 I was one of the organizers of the Public International Tribunal for crimes against humanity and war crimes in the Chechen Republic. The presiding judge was Galina Starovoitova, who was killed for her civilian activity by war supporters. The books have been published for some time and are directly accessible via the Internet. The court worked in accordance with the current Russian Criminal Procedure Code, and the collection of materials and evidence took place in the court. The members of the court were former and current deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, as well as well-known world-famous lawyers, both Russian and foreign. Among the observers were well-known specialists and distinguished diplomats.
By the way, one of the experts was Olof Palme’s brother Klaus Palme, and among the diplomats – the last USSR Foreign Minister Pankin. We have conducted several phases of the judicial investigation both inside and outside Russia and have examined evidence bordering on the genocide of the Chechen people. These judicial investigation materials are published in three printed books and are available on the Internet.

“Putin ha iniziato con la mia Cecenia, non si fermerà finchè esisterà l’impero russo” – Monica Perosino intervista Akhmed Zakayev

Quello che segue è il testo integrale di un’intervista realizzata dalla giornalista Monica Perosino de La Stampa al Presidente del Gabinetto dei Ministri della Repubblica Cecena di Ichkeria.

Monica Perosino

Ahmed Zakayev non ha perso il timbro morbido dell’attore, il russo forbito degli studi a Mosca, le maniere pacate da uomo di cultura e diplomazia. Ma oggi, in una casetta di legno in Ucraina, indossa una maglia militare e la voce trema impercettibilmente quando parla di Mariupol, che «sembra Groznyj», la “sua” Groznyj. Il leader del governo ceceno in esilio è il volto di quello che avrebbe potuto essere la Cecenia ma non è. Lui, uno dei pochi comandanti sopravvissuti alle due guerre con la Russia post-sovietica, della battaglia contro la voracità di Mosca ha fatto ragione di vita: «Dai tempi degli zar a Vladimir Putin la Russia è lo stesso impero colonialista. L’invasione dell’Ucraina non è che una conseguenza delle sue ambizioni imperiali, come lo era la guerra contro la Cecenia e come saranno le prossime guerre finché questa idea imperialista non si dissolverà». In questi giorni Zakayev è in Ucraina, per coordinare i battaglioni ceceni che combattono a fianco delle forze di Kiyv. Neanche un mese fa il parlamento ucraino aveva riconosciuto la Repubblica Cecena di Ichkeria. «Si tratta di un gesto molto più che formale» ha scritto Zakayev in una lettera inviata ai Radicali Italiani, che da anni si battono per l’autodeterminazione del popolo ceceno e lottano per l’incriminazione davanti al Tribunale dell’Aja di Vladimir Putin per i crimini di guerra compiuti in Ucraina. «Il popolo ucraino ha riconosciuto nella nostra battaglia la sua stessa battaglia, nelle nostre sofferenze le sue stesse sofferenze, nel nostro destino il suo stesso destino. Non potrà mai esserci libertà per nessuno, finché un solo popolo, e addirittura un solo uomo, dovrà subire la schiavitù».

Presidente Zakayev, nella sua prima vita faceva l’attore, poi il ministro della Cultura. A un certo punto si è trovato con un fucile in mano.

<C’è stato un tempo in cui svolgevo una professione pacifica e creativa: dopo il diploma in Teatro ho lavorato per anni come attore, poi sono diventato ministro della Cultura. Ma quando nel 1994 la Russia ci ha aggrediti io, come migliaia di altri ceceni – medici, insegnanti, cantanti, scrittori, poeti –, ho dovuto imbracciare le armi. Quando le bombe sono iniziate a cadere e i veicoli corazzati sono entrati nelle nostre città non abbiamo avuto altra scelta che cercare di proteggere le nostre famiglie, di difendere la nostra libertà>.

Negli anni di Gorbaciov la formazione di uno Stato ceceno sembrava possibile?

<Sì, continuavo a ripetere: la formazione del nostro Stato è perfettamente in linea con le leggi adottate dal Soviet Supremo dell’URSS nell’aprile 1990 e coerente con i principi e le norme del diritto internazionale. La creazione di una nostra statualità era assolutamente legittima, così come i processi politici in atto nella nostra repubblica in qui tempi. Sono state le riforme avviate da Gorbaciov che ci hanno permesso, come altre Repubbliche dell’Unione Sovietica, di dichiarare la Sovranità di Stato>.

Mikhail Gorbachev

Che cosa significa per la Cecenia – ma anche per la Georgia, ad esempio – essere indipendenti dalla Russia?

<L’indipendenza dalla Russia è la garanzia di poter avere un futuro. La liberazione dalla mano coloniale della Russia è l’unica strada per garantire ai popoli di Ucraina, Georgia, Cecenia-Inguscezia, Repubblica cecena di Ichkeria, e altre repubbliche nazionali la sicurezza e libertà, presente e futura>.

Lei ha combattuto anche durante il terribile assedio di Grozny, l’attacco che l’esercito della Federazione Russa mise in atto fra la fine di dicembre del 1994 e gli inizi di marzo 1995 nell’ambito della Prima guerra cecena. Cose le viene in mente oggi, quando ci pensa?

<A Mariupol. Mariupol è la Grozny ucraina. Entrambe le città sono state rase al suolo, nello stesso identico modo. A Mariupol i russi hanno agito esattamente come a Grozny>.

Secondo lei perché lOccidente ha chiuso gli occhi di fronte alla tragedia della guerra cecena?

<Perché l’Occidente era sicuro che la Russia si sarebbe fermata in Cecenia. Non capivano che la Russia, dopo il crollo dell’Unione Sovietica, non era cambiata nella sua essenza: le ambizioni russe sono sempre state ambizioni imperiali e tali sono rimaste. Ma l’Occidente fu ingannato dalla leadership russa, in particolare da Eltsin e dal Kgb. Parlando al Congresso degli Stati Uniti nel 1992, dopo il crollo dell’URSS, mentre lodava l’America (“la grande terra di libertà e democrazia”) Eltsin dichiarò che tutti gli orrori del mostro comunista non si sarebbero mai più ripetuti, che la Russia aveva

spezzato la spina dorsale a questo mostro. E l’Occidente gli ha creduto.  C’è stata una connivenza criminale, che ha consentito a Eltsin di distruggere interi Paesi nel cuore dell’Europa, con la scusa di normalizzare le relazioni con Mosca.  Il destino della Cecenia, di una nazione intera, è stato tradito e barattato in cambio del benessere e in cambio delle risorse energetiche che l’Occidente e l’Europa ricevevano dalla Russia. Non è stato un errore, è stato un crimine contro il popolo ceceno>.

Manifestazione indipendentista a Grozny

È corretto dire che la guerra scatenata da Putin in Ucraina è una sorta di prosecuzione di quella cecena?

<Assolutamente sì. La guerra scatenata dalla Russia contro l’Ucraina è una continuazione della guerra della Russia contro la Cecenia. Negli ultimi anni la Russia, dopo aver rafforzato le forze armate, ha iniziato a impadronirsi e a conquistare i Paesi vicini. È partita dalla Repubblica cecena di Ichkeria e oggi è già arrivata in Ucraina. Se il mondo avesse fermato la Russia allora, non ci sarebbe stata la guerra in Georgia nel 2008, né oggi in Ucraina. Quella di oggi è la continuazione della guerra che la Russia ha scatenato nel 1994”.

Lei sa che in Occidente, molto spesso parla di «ceceni» e si pensa ai <kadiroviti>, non le fa rabbia?

<Quelli che chiamate “kadiroviti” sono un prodotto russo, quello che Mosca ha fatto a una parte di ceceni con il tacito consenso dell’Occidente. Perché in tutti questi 22 anni di occupazione e fino al 24 febbraio l’Occidente ha sostenuto sia Putin che il regime di Kadyrov in Cecenia. I ceceni sono stati le vittime di questa tragedia, dell’occupazione, dell’ingiustizia. Siamo rimasti soli con questo mostro, anzi, peggio, siamo stati semplicemente traditi. Il mondo si è schierato dalla parte del nostro carnefice. E in tutti questi anni l’ha nutrito e lo ha sostenuto, definendo lo sterminio del popolo ceceno “un affare interno della Russia”. Quando nel 1944 tutti i ceceni, che si opponevano alla sovietizzazione, vennero deportati (in  Kazakhistan e Kirghizistan, ndr), perché, spiegò Stalin agli alleati, “avevano collaborato con i nazisti”. L’Occidente chiuse un occhio, aveva ben presente cosa significasse “nazista”. Stesso schema nel 1994, quando hanno cercato di dire che i ceceni erano affiliati alla mafia ceca, stesso schema per tutti gli Anni 90, quando per qualsiasi crimine fosse commesso in Russia fosse incolpato un ceceno. Poi, dopo l’11 settembre, venne il momento degli “islamisti radicali”. Putin e l’Fsb avevano bisogno di ridurre il “problema ceceno” al problema dei “radicali musulmani”. Il 24 ottobre 2001 Putin dichiarò, mentre la seconda guerra in Cecenia era in corso, di essere pronto ad entrare a far parte della coalizione internazionale per combattere il terrorismo internazionale, ma in cambio voleva che la situazione in Cecenia fosse stata considerata nel contesto della lotta al terrorismo internazionale. E questo, a un certo punto, ha influenzato la comprensione dei politici occidentali, che hanno chiuso un occhio su ciò che Putin sta facendo in Cecenia.

Ramzan Kadyrov stringe la mano a Vladimir Putin

E Ramzan Kadyrov?

<È un collaborazionista, un traditore nazionale, come Quisling. Nei Paesi conquistati ci sono sempre persone che tradiscono il proprio popolo. Kadyrov è un traditore totale, un deviato senza educazione e senza scrupoli, di una spudoratezza e di una violenza senza limiti. Putin ha compreso bene la sua essenza, e lo ha nominato dopo aver eliminato suo padre>

Se Putin non ci fosse le cose sarebbero diverse?

“Certo che no. Finché esisterà l’idea di un impero russo queste guerre non si fermeranno. La strategia per l’Ucraina, per la Georgia, per la Cecenia, è stata sviluppata quando Putin lavorava ancora come taxista. Putin, che ora è al potere, sta semplicemente implementando questa strategia. Quindi, spostare la responsabilità solo su Putin e contare sul fatto che con un cambio di regime la situazione cambierà è un grosso errore. Per fare in modo che la Russia cessi di rappresentare una minaccia per il resto del mondo, non solo per i suoi vicini e per l’Ucraina, questo paese nella forma in cui esiste oggi, deve semplicemente cessare di esistere. Come si può fare? Non lo so, ma so che sarà possibile solo dopo la sconfitta militare della Russia in Ucraina, perché cesserà di esistere per come la conosciamo>

A Londra ha conosciuto Alexander Litvinenko, che rapporto c’era tra di voi?

<Eravamo molto amici, lavoravamo insieme. Nel 2004, il presidente della CRI Aslan Maskhadov mi ha nominato presidente della Commissione per le indagini sui crimini di guerra commessi dalla Russia in Cecenia e su mio suggerimento, Aslan ha incluso in questa commissione sia Alexander Litvinenko che Anna Politkovskaya. Anna Politkovskaya, trovandosi nel territorio della Repubblica cecena, sapeva dove e in quali luoghi erano dislocati i militari russi e chi li comandava, e Alexander Litvinenko conosceva queste persone in servizio, faceva parte del quartier generale, che si trovava a Nalchik, durante la prima guerra russo-cecena – il quartier generale principale della direzione dell’FSB per il la Cecenia. E conosceva tutti quelli coinvolti nella guerra. Penso che, in larga misura, la morte di Alexander e di Anna sia legata alla Commissione sui crimini di guerra>.

Alexander Litvinenko

Cosa le è rimasto impresso di Litvinenko?

<Stavamo parlando delle esplosioni del 1999 (una serie di attentati che hanno colpito quattro condomini nelle città russe di Buynaksk, Mosca e Volgodonsk, che hanno causato la morte di oltre 300 persone, e che, insieme all’invasione del Daghestan, hanno innescato  la seconda guerra cecena, ndr). Io non credevo che gli attentati fossero stati fatti dall’Fsb, all’epoca diretto da Putin, era troppo difficile credere che i russi, che gli stessi servizi speciali russi, potessero far saltare in aria i loro cittadini. Ma Litivinenko la pensava diversamente. Mi disse: “Akmed, metti alla prova la tua fantasia e pensa a qualcosa di terribile, la cosa peggiore che una persona possa fare, la più spaventosa. Qualunque cosa ti venga in mente ti dimostrerò che i servizi russi – dallo zarista Okhrana all’Fsb di oggi – l’ha già fatta. La cosa più terribile che il cervello umano possa immaginare, l’hanno già fatta”. E da quel momento in poi non metto in dubbio nulla per quanto riguarda i servizi speciali russi. Possono fare di tutto per salvare questo sistema. Possono sacrificare chiunque per salvare questo sistema. Questo è ciò che il mondo intero dovrebbe ricordare”.

Secondo lei come finirà questa guerra?

<Sono appena tornato dal Kherson, e posso dire con sicurezza che l’Ucraina non si tirerà indietro. Anche se l’Occidente dovesse stancarsi e la lasciasse sola contro la Russia, l’Ucraina non si arrenderà mai. L’Ucraina si batterà per i suoi territori, per la sua terra e per il suo futuro. Non ci sono dubbi su questo. Sono altrettanto sicuro che l’Occidente sosterrà l’Ucraina fino alla fine, ormai è troppo coinvolto e che alla fine l’Ucraina vincerà. Nel farlo libererà il mondo dalla minaccia dell’Impero russo, perché persa la guerra l’Impero russo cesserà di esistere>.

Cherson appena liberata dall’esercito ucraino

FREEDOM SOLD OR WAR BOUGHT? – REFLECTIONS BY APTI BATALOV (part 1)

I believe I am not mistaken when I say that one of the tragedies of the Chechen people originated on the day when Chechnya proclaimed itself an independent state. After choosing the first president, the Chechens naively believed that Russia would respect their choice. After all, Yeltsin said “take all the freedom you can swallow!” The Chechens did not know that “Swallowing freedom” they would regurgitate their blood.

The conquest of freedom

The Russians did not recognize the presidential elections held on October 27, 1991 in Chechnya. Rejecting any possibility of peaceful separation from Chechnya, the Kremlin has focused on the definitive solution of the Chechen “problem”. In planning actions against Chechen sovereignty, it was obvious that the Russian government would prioritize provocative and subversive activities, and this was evident from the growing activity of pro-Russian provocateurs on the territory of Chechnya. Funded and armed by Moscow, the leaders of the “anti-Dudaevites” began to form criminal groups under the cover of political slogans, calling themselves “opposition of the Dudaev regime”. In reality, the ideologues of this movement were full-time agents of the Russian special services and, following the instructions of the Lubyanka , they caused a civil war in the Chechens. Through these ” Mankurts ” [1], in the first half of the 90s of the twentieth century, Chechnya was transformed into a land of internal contrasts and social instability. Having already gained political independence from Moscow, many officials who held high positions in the state did what they could to discredit the idea of independence. With their actions they compromised the government, corrupted it, doing everything to make the Chechens repent of their choice. Every day, these people desecrated the idea of a free and sovereign state, and achieved many successes in this action, furthering the premises of the 1994/1996 Russo-Chechen War.

However, one detail had not been taken into consideration: the war imposed by the Kremlin would have ignited the genetic memory of the Chechens. All the people, with rare exceptions, took up arms and stood up to defend that choice. Evidently, after receiving the order to intensify their activities, the Russian special services agents began to increase their efforts to destabilize the political, economic and social situation throughout the Ichkeria territory. By sowing discord among the leaders of the state, creating an atmosphere of mutual distrust and enmity in the relations between yesterday’s comrades, the Russian mercenaries achieved the objectives set by Moscow. Instead of rallying around the president, in this hard and difficult time for the fate of the Chechen nation, and exercising their authority to defend and strengthen the authority of Ichkeria, the leaders of the country faced each other in the political arena with every sort of intrigue, against each other, using their credit only for speculative and populist purposes. After withdrawing troops from Ichkeria in 1996, the Russians invaded it with their agents. Terrible times came for Ichkeria, banditry assumed the proportions of a national catastrophe, kidnapping and the slave trade became the profession of a significant part of the former freedom fighters, lack of work and poverty swelled the ranks of criminals.

Heroes yesterday, enemies today

Thus there was no effective authority in Ichkeria. The comrades in arms of the President of yesterday, having had the opportunity to strengthen it, did not do so, but rather, having become politicians, they were the real antagonists of the President, doing everything to weaken his power. On every occasion, and under various pretexts, his authority was undermined: not a day passed without some “emergency” directed against the President. At that time I was convinced that these antagonists wanted to break Maskhadov psychologically. Imagine the state in which a person subjected to daily torture can be, every day more sophisticated and insidious. One fine day, the President collapsed… all this turmoil around the presidency drove the people to despair, their faith in authority and yesterday’s heroes disappeared. Social inequality, the absence of any guarantee of security, corrupt authorities at all levels, poverty and devastation: the Chechen people faced the 1999 war in these conditions … With an economic blockade, political and information isolation in place, the Chechen leadership he had no way of adequately preparing for Russian aggression.

The signs that the Russians were preparing a new war against Ichkeria appeared as early as February – March 1999. In February 1999, a demonstration of many thousands of people was held in support of the President’s policy in the city of Dzhokhar [formerly Grozny, NDR ]. The participants in the demonstration approved and supported in unison Maskhadov, the foreign and internal policy he pursued, and expressed the desire and willingness to take up arms to restore order in the country. Two or three Russian journalists were present at this gathering, being able to work without any restrictions. They assured me that the Russian media would report the demonstration, but not a single TV channel mentioned it. On the other hand, Russian public opinion began to be influenced by the idea that Maskhadov was a weak and indecisive person, that he had lost the support of the people, that power in Ichkeria was in the hands of the field commanders, that banditry and the slave trade flourished in Ichkeria. Obviously it would be wrong to deny these claims, which were partly true, but that the people did not support Maskhadov, or that he was weak, that was an absolute lie. The Chechen people had responded to the President’s appeal, and were willing to defend him. But the Russian media hid this fact from their audience. As for the field commanders, most of them obeyed without question the President and Commander the Chief of the Armed Forces.

But, as they say, no family is without monsters. On the occasion of the second anniversary of the signing of the Peace Treaty between Ichkeria and Russia on May 12 , 1997, well-organized celebrations were held in the city of Dzhokhar: events were held in the city center, horse races were held on the outskirts of the capital, with prizes in prize money, including “VAZ” 6 car models. It was a bright and festive day, during which the Ichkeria leadership showed all its desire for peace with Russia. Once again, Russian TV reporters worked on the event, as always without restrictions. And once again the media did not say a single word about the fact that similar celebrations were held in the city of Dzhokhar. All of this suggested that there would be no celebration the following year.


[1] Figuratively speaking, the word ” mankurt ” refers to people who have lost touch with their ethnic homeland , who have forgotten their kinship . For further information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankurt

CHECHENS, SHOW THAT YOU ARE A UNITED NATION! – INTERVIEW WITH USMAN FERZAULI

(English Version)

Usman Ferzauli, former First Deputy Foreign Minister and Director of the Department of Foreign Intelligence, then Minister of Foreign Affairs and Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the Kingdom of Denmark, in service until 2016, has agreed to answer some of our questions on the current situation of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria.

As a senior officer of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, you have gone through all stages of the republic’s history, from the most glorious to the most difficult. Today you support the cause of Chechnya from Europe. How is the management of Ichkeria experiencing this difficult and delicate moment?

I must say that today I am not an Ichkeria official on active duty . I believe that this status allows me to be more objective and free in the choice of terms to define the processes related to Ichkeria, without violating anyone’s rights or ambitions. I cannot speak on behalf of all Chechens, but I would insult the memory of my brothers in arms, who gave their lives for the sake of Ichkeria’s freedom, if I did not talk about what we all dreamed of and what we have dedicated our lives. Everyone is going through this difficult time in their own way. There are more than half a million Chechens outside of Ichkeria and Russia, and they are integrated into the social strata of their home countries. About three hundred thousand live in the territory of Russia proper. The remainder resides in Ichkeria. Our people have gone through a very difficult path, in the last 30 years we have faced 2 ethnic cleanups, which European politicians have called simply “… violation of human rights”. We have lost a quarter of the population during the wars and there is no family in Ichkeria that has not lost a loved one during this time. I mention these facts only because all this lives in us, in our children. And any information that mentions the word Ichkeria is a kind of detonator for all of us. Unfortunately, today I do not see a single national concept capable of developing mechanisms to get out of this difficult situation. Furthermore, it is not entirely ethical to try to change something in Ichkeria while sitting thousands of kilometers from the Homeland. Finally, I do not allow anyone to ask those Chechens living in Ichkeria today to engage in an open confrontation with the occupying authorities, because today Ichkeria is similar to Ukraine during the occupation by Nazi Germany. Ichkeria is governed by the dictatorship of the federal authorities. People are absolutely helpless. People have no right to be heard, to have their own opinion different from the official versions. The corruption is nationwide. This is the situation we are in …


A few days ago, the Ukrainian parliament recognized Ichkeria as a state illegally occupied by the Russian Federation and recognized the genocide committed by the Russians against the Chechens. How do you rate this event for Chechnya?

We are all happy with this step and we give an enthusiastic evaluation to these acts of the fraternal Ukrainian people. Thousands of our compatriots today fight together with the Ukrainians for a noble cause: against an aggressor who has no morals, pity, dignity. Undoubtedly, the recognition of Ichkeria as a temporarily occupied state and the establishment of a commission to investigate the genocide against our people are but the first glimpses of our people’s hopes for freedom and the consequent prosecution of military and political criminals. But this is a very tiring path, which will first of all require the unity of us Chechens, which unfortunately I do not see at the moment. The very concept of independence must go beyond the national framework with the involvement of international experts, support groups in the broad sense and, above all, an international administration set up for the transition period. Today the Chechens are divided globally and a peaceful solution to the problem of unification is, to put it mildly, very prosaic. Unfortunately, we still don’t find similar support from political leaders in European countries and North America and there are no clear signs that this will happen in the foreseeable future. But we are patient people, we have been waiting for 300 years, we will wait for more.

The forces demanding continuity with the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria today seem divided and sometimes even in conflict with each other, delegitimizing each other. What is the reason for this fragmentation?

This is a very sensitive issue. I am not an advocate of public whipping of my countrymen, no matter how much scoundrel they may be. Unfortunately, nothing is changing and they apparently haven’t learned from past mistakes. Somehow, the esteemed Vytautas Landsbergis, observing the disunity of the Chechens, said: “ My dear Chechens, well, show at least once that you are one united nation! “ The reason for the fragmentation of these groups (I cannot call them otherwise) are the sick ambitions of some and the very high presumption of others. We have already overcome this path of fragmentation in 1997, on the eve of the election of the President of the CRI and after, when the people who had to unite the people became a disaster for their own . nation . After the end of the first war, the lustration law was passed. But this law was not applied to domestic traitors and people who actively cooperated with the aggressor. Eventually, everything went back to anarchy. The same trend is observed today. Defectors, people who collaborated with the occupation regime and mere adventurers, as well as those who betrayed President Aslan Maskhadov, tempted by the conspiratorial ideas of controlling oil pipelines and uniting Chechnya and Dagestan, position themselves as the main “activists. of the liberation movement “.

How do the Chechen population at home and the diaspora in Europe perceive the litigation of various organizations defending the independence of Chechnya? And how credible are these organizations among the civilian population?

The feelings are very negative . The most interesting thing is that all these groups protect the interests of the group itself, which they arbitrarily declare to be the interests of the people of Ichkeria. As can be seen from publications and personal communication, there are conflicting statements. Someone renewed the ideas of the Caliphate with the establishment of Sharia law in Ichkeria immediately. Someone will go to war directly in the Chechen Republic and thus “free” Ichkeria from the invaders, with all the bloody consequences that will ensue. This is nothing but an illusion. There are also demands on the government of Ukraine to recognize Dagestan’s independence. We are not interested in Dagestan and we do not have the right to speak on behalf of the peoples of Dagestan, where 52 ethnic groups live and there is not a single dominant one. Throughout our history, we have not had a single beneficial idea from Dagestan, only conflicts, conflicts, wars, devastation and betrayal. Furthermore, the international community, primarily the European Union and the countries of North America, see Russia in the future as a united, stable and predictable country within its current borders. And our appeals for the recognition of the independence of Russian autonomies can be mistaken for attempts to divide Russia itself, and therefore we pour water on the mill of Russian propaganda. Yes, we are for the freedom of all peoples, but first of all we must not forget our national interests. Since our independence in principle also depends on the outside world, it is necessary to speak in a language that is acceptable and understandable to the world, leaving verbosity and rhetoric unacceptable to parlor adventurers.

Do you think it makes sense that the various institutional groups that call themselves “legitimate” come together as one and put aside their differences instead of acting independently? Or do you think there is someone among them worthy of leading others?

I am deeply convinced that Ichkeria should achieve independence without bloodshed, military confrontations and destructive wars. We’ve been through all of this before. One thing is quite clear to me, that without the consent of Russia, Ichkeria will not receive independence in that classic civilian form, as has happened before with the colonial territories. I am absolutely certain that no country in the world will announce a single sanction against Russia due to the violence and colonization of Ichkeria. We have seen all of this during two bloody wars. And in these matters, we need the political support of Ukraine and its partners. It is quite obvious that in matters of cooperation with Ichkeria, if this process continues, Ukraine needs a force that can be represented on behalf of the people of Ichkeria. And if all these groups really want freedom for their country, it is necessary to leave their ambitions alone and form a working group to carry this project forward .

At the moment, many young Chechens are fighting alongside the Ukrainian army, mainly on the Kherson front. It is clear that their battle is not only for the defense of Ukraine, but also for the restoration of Chechnya’s independence. If you could talk to each of them, what would you tell them?

With obvious envy, in the good sense of the word, I watch our boys participate in this war. It would be unethical to teach them something, because with their example they set an example and hope for all Chechens. For me, in principle, it does not matter what they are guided by. But to each, individually, I would give my hand and hug, as Chechen men do. We Chechens are laconic and don’t compliment each other, but I’m extremely proud to belong to the people they represent. Once again, they fully showed the whole world their nobility and the potential for courage in the fight against a common enemy. In my prayers I ask the Almighty to grant them health, good humor and long life in their free homeland.

How does the political fragmentation of the CRI affect those same soldiers fighting at the front under the Ichkeria banner?

At this stage, these guys are busy with their noble cause and, for objective reasons, don’t pay much attention to this issue. I know that there have been unsuccessful attempts by some groups to subjugate these battalions to themselves by luring them “under the banner of Ichkeria”. But the problem with the latter is that these guys since 2014, in one way or another, under the Ichkeria banner, position themselves as Ichkerians. At the same time, they are integrated into the structures of the Ukrainian armed forces, accept and carry out the tasks assigned to them by the command. Therefore, I doubt that at this stage they can be affected in any way beyond their functional responsibilities.

CECENI, MOSTRATE CHE SIETE UNA NAZIONE UNITA! – INTERVISTA AD USMAN FERZAULI

(Versione Italiana)

Usman Ferzauli, ex Primo Vice Ministro degli Esteri e Direttore del Dipartimento di Intelligence Estera, poi Ministro degli Affari Esteri ed Ambasciatore Straordinario e Plenipotenziario presso il Regno di Danimarca, in servizio fino al 2016, ha acconsentito a rispondere ad alcune nostre domande sulla situazione attuale della Repubblica Cecena di Ichkeria.

Come alto ufficiale della Repubblica cecena di Ichkeria, hai attraversato tutte le fasi della storia della repubblica, dalle più gloriose alle più difficili. Oggi sostieni la causa della Cecenia dall’Europa. Come sta vivendo questo momento difficile e delicato la dirigenza di Ichkeria?

Devo dire che oggi non sono un funzionario di Ichkeria in servizio attivo. Credo che questo status mi permetta di essere più obiettivo e libero nella scelta dei termini per definire i processi relativi all’Ichkeria, senza violare i diritti o le ambizioni di qualcuno. on posso parlare a nome di tutti i ceceni, ma insulterei la memoria dei miei fratelli d’armi, che hanno dato la vita per il bene della libertà di Ichkeria, se non parlassi di ciò che tutti abbiamo sognato e di ciò cui abbiamo dedicato le nostre vite. Ognuno sta attraversando questo momento difficile a modo suo. Ci sono più di mezzo milione di ceceni al di fuori di Ichkeria e della Russia, e sono integrati negli strati sociali dei loro paesi di residenza. Circa trecentomila vivono nel territorio della Russia vera e propria. Il resto risiede in Ichkeria. Il nostro popolo ha attraversato un percorso molto difficile, negli ultimi 30 anni abbiamo affrontato 2 pulizie etniche, che i politici europei hanno chiamato semplicemente “…violazione dei diritti umani”. Abbiamo perso un quarto della popolazione durante le guerre e non c’è famiglia a Ichkeria che non abbia perso la persona amata durante questo periodo. Cito questi fatti solo perché tutto questo vive in noi, nei nostri figli. E qualsiasi informazione che menzioni la parola Ichkeria è una specie di detonatore per tutti noi. Purtroppo non vedo oggi un unico concetto nazionale in grado di sviluppare meccanismi per uscire da questa difficile situazione. Inoltre, non è del tutto etico cercare di cambiare qualcosa a Ichkeria mentre si è seduti a migliaia di chilometri dalla Patria. Infine, non permetto a nessuno di chiedere a quei ceceni che oggi vivono a Ichkeria di avviare un confronto aperto con le autorità occupanti, perché oggi Ichkeria è simile all’Ucraina durante l’occupazione da parte della Germania nazista. In Ichkeria vige la dittatura delle autorità federali. Le persone sono assolutamente impotenti. Le persone non hanno il diritto di essere ascoltate, di avere la propria opinione diversa dalle versioni ufficiali. La corruzione è su scala nazionale. Questa è la situazione in cui ci troviamo…


Pochi giorni fa, il parlamento ucraino ha riconosciuto Ichkeria come uno stato occupato illegalmente dalla Federazione Russa e ha riconosciuto il genocidio commesso dai russi contro i ceceni. Come valuti questo evento per la Cecenia?

Siamo tutti contenti di questo passo e diamo una valutazione entusiasta a questi atti del fraterno popolo ucraino. Migliaia di nostri connazionali oggi combattono insieme agli ucraini per una nobile causa: contro un aggressore che non ha morale, pietà, dignità. Indubbiamente, il riconoscimento di Ichkeria come stato temporaneamente occupato e l’istituzione di una commissione che indaghi sul genocidio contro il nostro popolo non sono altro che i primi barlumi delle speranze del nostro popolo di ottenere la libertà e il conseguente perseguimento di criminali militari e politici. Ma questo è un percorso molto faticoso, che richiederà prima di tutto l’unità di noi ceceni, che purtroppo al momento non vedo. Il concetto stesso di indipendenza deve andare oltre il quadro nazionale con il coinvolgimento di esperti internazionali, gruppi di sostegno in senso lato e, soprattutto, di una amministrazione internazionale costituita per il periodo di transizione. Oggi i ceceni sono divisi a livello globale e una soluzione pacifica al problema dell’unificazione è, per usare un eufemismo, molto prosaica. Sfortunatamente, non troviamo ancora un sostegno simile da parte dei leader politici nei paesi europei e nel Nord America e non ci sono segnali chiari che ciò accadrà nel prossimo futuro . Ma siamo persone pazienti, stiamo aspettando da 300 anni, ne aspetteremo ancora.

Le forze che chiedono continuità con la Repubblica cecena di Ichkeria oggi sembrano divise e talvolta addirittura in conflitto tra loro, delegittimandosi a vicenda. Qual è il motivo di questa frammentazione?

Questa è una questione molto delicata. Non sono un sostenitore della fustigazione in nome pubblico dei miei connazionali, non importa quanto farabutti possano essere. Sfortunatamente, nulla sta cambiando e a quanto pare non hanno imparato dagli errori del passato. In qualche modo, lo stimato Vytautas Landsbergis, osservando la disunione dei ceceni, disse: “Miei cari ceceni, bene, mostrate almeno una volta che siete un’unica nazione unita!” Il motivo della frammentazione di questi gruppi (non posso chiamarli diversamente) sono le malate ambizioni di alcuni e l’altissima presunzione di altri. Abbiamo già superato questo percorso di frammentazione nel 1997, alla vigilia delle elezioni del Presidente della CRI e dopo, quando la gente che doveva unire il popolo divenne un disastro per la sua stessa nazione. Dopo la fine della prima guerra, fu approvata la legge sulla lustrazione. Ma questa legge non è stata applicata ai traditori nazionali e alle persone che hanno collaborato attivamente con l’aggressore. Alla fine, tutto è tornato all’anarchia. La stessa tendenza si osserva oggi. I disertori, le persone che hanno collaborato con il regime di occupazione ed i semplici avventurieri, così come coloro che hanno tradito il presidente Aslan Maskhadov, tentati dalle idee cospirative di controllare gli oleodotti e unire Cecenia e Daghestan, si posizionano come i principali “attivisti del movimento di liberazione”.

Come percepiscono la popolazione cecena in patria e la diaspora in Europa il contenzioso di varie organizzazioni che difendono l’indipendenza della Cecenia? E quanto sono credibili queste organizzazioni tra la popolazione civile?

Le percepiscono in modo molto negativo. La cosa più interessante è che tutti questi gruppi tutelano gli interessi del gruppo stesso, che dichiarano arbitrariamente essere interessi del popolo di Ichkeria. Come si vede dalle pubblicazioni e dalla comunicazione personale, ci sono dichiarazioni contrastanti. Qualcuno ha rinnovato le idee del Califfato con l’istituzione della legge della Sharia in Ichkeria immediatamente. Qualcuno andrà in guerra direttamente nella Repubblica Cecena e così “liberarà” Ichkeria dagli invasori, con tutte le sanguinose conseguenze che ne conseguiranno. Questa non è altro che un’illusione. Ci sono anche richieste al governo dell’Ucraina di riconoscere l’indipendenza del Daghestan. Non ci interessa il Daghestan e non abbiamo il diritto di parlare a nome dei popoli del Daghestan, dove vivono 52 gruppi etnici e non ce n’è uno solo dominante. Nel corso della nostra storia, non abbiamo avuto una sola idea benefica dal Daghestan, solo conflitti, conflitti, guerre, devastazioni e tradimenti. Inoltre, la comunità internazionale, in primis l’Unione Europea ei Paesi del Nord America, vedono la Russia nel futuro come un Paese unito, stabile e prevedibile entro i suoi attuali confini. E i nostri appelli al riconoscimento dell’indipendenza delle autonomie russe possono essere scambiati per tentativi di dividere la Russia stessa, e quindi versiamo acqua sul mulino della propaganda russa. Sì, siamo per la libertà di tutti i popoli, ma prima di tutto non dobbiamo dimenticare i nostri interessi nazionali. Poiché la nostra indipendenza in linea di principio dipende anche dal mondo esterno, è necessario parlare in una lingua che sia accettabile e comprensibile per il mondo, lasciando verbosità e retorica inaccettabile agli avventurieri da salotto.

Pensi che abbia senso che i vari gruppi istituzionali che si definiscono “legittimi” si uniscano come un’unica realtà e mettano da parte le loro differenze invece di agire in modo indipendente? O pensi che tra loro ci sia qualcuno degno di guidare gli altri?

Sono profondamente convinto che Ichkeria dovrebbe ottenere l’indipendenza senza spargimenti di sangue, scontri militari e guerre distruttive. Abbiamo già passato tutto questo. Una cosa è del tutto chiara per me, che senza il consenso della Russia, Ichkeria non riceverà l’indipendenza in quella classica forma civile, come è successo prima con i territori coloniali. Sono assolutamente certo che nessun Paese al mondo annuncerà una sola sanzione contro la Russia a causa della violenza e della colonizzazione di Ichkeria. Abbiamo visto tutto questo durante due sanguinose guerre. E in queste questioni, abbiamo bisogno del sostegno politico dell’Ucraina e dei suoi partner. È abbastanza ovvio che in materia di cooperazione con Ichkeria, se questo processo continua, l’Ucraina ha bisogno di una forza che possa essere rappresentata a nome del popolo di Ichkeria. E se tutti questi gruppi vogliono davvero la libertà per il loro paese, è necessario lasciare in pace le loro ambizioni e formare un gruppo di lavoro per portare avanti questo progetto.

Al momento, molti giovani ceceni stanno combattendo a fianco dell’esercito ucraino, principalmente sul fronte di Kherson. È chiaro che la loro battaglia non è solo per la difesa dell’Ucraina, ma anche per il ripristino dell’indipendenza della Cecenia. Se potessi parlare con ciascuno di loro, cosa diresti loro?

 Con palese invidia, nel buon senso della parola, osservo i nostri ragazzi partecipare a questa guerra. Non sarebbe etico insegnare loro qualcosa, perché con il loro esempio danno un esempio e una speranza a tutti i ceceni. Per me, in linea di principio, non importa da cosa sono guidati. Ma a ciascuno, individualmente, darei la mano e l’abbraccio, come fanno gli uomini ceceni. Noi ceceni siamo laconici e non ci complimentiamo a vicenda, ma sono estremamente orgoglioso di appartenere alle persone che loro rappresentano. Ancora una volta, hanno mostrato pienamente al mondo intero la loro nobiltà e il potenziale di coraggio nella lotta contro un nemico comune. Nelle mie preghiere chiedo all’Onnipotente di concedere loro salute, buon umore e lunga vita nella loro libera patria.

In che modo la frammentazione politica della CRI colpisce quegli stessi soldati che combattono al fronte sotto la bandiera di Ichkeria?

In questa fase, questi ragazzi sono impegnati con la loro nobile causa e, per ragioni oggettive, non prestano molta attenzione a questo problema. So che ci sono stati tentativi infruttuosi da parte di alcuni gruppi di soggiogare questi battaglioni a se stessi, attirandoli “sotto la bandiera di Ichkeria”. Ma il problema di quest’ultimo è che questi ragazzi dal 2014, in un modo o nell’altro, sotto la bandiera di Ichkeria, si posizionano come Ichkeriani. Allo stesso tempo, sono integrati nelle strutture delle forze armate ucraine, accettano e attuano i compiti loro assegnati dal comando. Pertanto, dubito che in questa fase possano essere influenzati in alcun modo al di là delle loro responsabilità funzionali.

Чеченцы, покажите, что вы сплочённая нация!
Интервью с Усманом Ферзаули

(русскоязычная версия)

Усман Ферзаули, бывший первый заместитель министра иностранных дел и директор Департамента внешней разведки, затем министр иностранных дел и Чрезвычайный и Полномочный Посол в Королевстве Дания, на службе до 2016 года, согласился ответить на некоторые наши вопросы о текущей ситуации. Чеченской Республики Ичкерия.

Вы как высокопоставленный офицер Чеченской Республики Ичкерия прошли все этапы истории республики, от самого славного до самого трудного. Сегодня вы поддерживаете дело Чечни из Европы. Как руководство Ичкерии переживает этот сложный и деликатный момент?

Должен сказать, что я сегодня не в руководстве Ичкерии. Считаю, что данный статус позволяет мне быть более объективным и свободным в выборе терминов определения процессов касающихся Ичкерии, не ущемляя чьих то прав или амбиций. Я так же не могу говорить от имени всех чеченцев, но я бы оскорбил память моих братьев по оружию, которые отдали свои жизни ради свободы Ичкерии, если бы не стал говорить о том, о чём мы все мечтали и чему посвятили свою жизнь. Это сложное время каждый переживает по-своему. За пределами Ичкерии и России более полумиллиона чеченцев и они интегрированы в социальных слоях стран проживания. Порядка триста тысяч проживают на территории собственно России. Ну и остальные в Ичкерии. Наш народ прошел очень трудный путь, буквально за последние 30 лет мы пережили 2 этнические чистки, которые европейские политики называли просто «..нарушением прав человека». Мы потеряли в процессе войн четверть населения, и нет в Ичкерии семьи, кто не потерял своего близкого человека именно в этот период. Я привожу эти факты только потому, что все это живёт в нас, в наших детях. И любая информация, где упоминается слово Ичкерия,  является для всех нас своего рода детонатором. К сожалению, я не вижу сегодня единой национальной концепции действий, способной выработать механизмы выхода из этой сложной ситуации. Более того, не совсем этично сидя за тысячи километров вдали от Родины, пытаться что-то изменить в Ичкерии. Я так же не допускаю, чтобы кто-либо требовал от тех чеченцев, которые проживают сегодня в Ичкерии, начал открытое противостояние с оккупационными властями, потому что сегодня Ичкерия подобна Украине во время оккупации нацистской Германией. В Ичкерии диктатура федеральных властей. Люди абсолютно бесправные. У людей нет прав быть услышанными, иметь собственное мнение отличное от официальных версий. Коррупция в национальном масштабе. Это та ситуация, в которой мы варимся…


Несколько дней назад украинский парламент признал Ичкерию государством, незаконно оккупированным Российской Федерацией, и признал геноцид, совершенный русскими в отношении чеченцев. Как вы оцениваете это событие для Чечни?

Мы все в восторге от этого шага и даём этим актам братского Украинского народа должную оценку. Тысячи наших земляков сегодня сражаются вместе с Украинцами за благородное дело – против агрессора, не имеющего ни морали, ни жалости, ни достоинства. Безусловно, признание Ичкерии временно оккупированным государством и совершения геноцида в отношении нашего народа есть не что иное, как первые проблески надежд нашего народа на обретение свободы и последующего привлечения к ответственности военно-политических преступников. Но это очень трудоёмкий путь, который потребует в первую очередь от нас, чеченцев, сплочённости, чего я, к сожалению, не вижу на данный момент. Сама концепция обретения независимости должна выйти за национальные рамки с вовлечением международных экспертов, группы поддержки в широком смысле и, самое главное, сформированная международная администрация на переходный период. Сегодня чеченцы разделены глобально, и мирное разрешение проблемы объединения, мягко говоря, весьма прозаичны. К сожалению, мы не находим всё ещё аналогичной поддержки политических лидеров в европейских странах и в Северной Америке и нет явных признаков того, что это произойдёт в ближайшей перспективе. Но мы люди терпеливые, мы ждали 300 лет, подождём ещё.

Силы, требующие преемственности с Чеченской Республикой Ичкерия, сегодня выглядят разрозненными, а иногда даже конфликтующими друг с другом, делегитимизирующими друг друга. В чем причина этой фрагментации?

Это очень деликатный вопрос. Я не сторонник публичной поимённой порки своих земляков, какими бы негодяями они ни были. К сожалению, ничего не меняется и видимо они не извлекли уроков из прошлых ошибок. Как-то многоуважаемый Витаутас Ландсбергис, наблюдая разрозненность чеченцев, сказал: Дорогие мои чеченцы, ну покажите хоть один раз, что вы единая сплочённая нация!                                                                                             

Причина фрагментации этих группировок (я их иначе не могу назвать) в больных амбициях одних, и чрезвычайно высокого самомнения других. Мы уже проходили этот путь фрагментации в 1997 году, накануне выборов Президента ЧРИ и после, когда люди, которые должны были объединить народ, стали бедствием для этого народа. После окончания первой войны был принят Закон о Люстрации. Но этот закон не был применён в отношении национальных предателей и людей, активно сотрудничавших с агрессором. В итоге всё вернулось в анархию. Сегодня наблюдается та же тенденция. Главными «активистами освободительного движения» позиционируют себя дезертиры, люди сотрудничавшие с оккупационным режимом и просто авантюристы, а также те, кто предал Президента Аслана Масхадова соблазнившись конспиративными идеями контроля нефтепроводов и объединения Чечни и Дагестана.   

Как чеченское население на родине и диаспора в Европе воспринимают сутяжничество различных организаций, защищающих независимость Чечни? И каким доверием пользуются эти организации среди гражданского населения?

Воспринимают очень негативно. Самое интересное в том, что все эти группировки несут в себе интересы собственно только самой группировки, которые декларируются ими произвольно якобы от имени народа Ичкерии. Как мы видим из публикаций и при личном общении, есть противоречивые декларации. Кто-то возобновил идеи Халифата с установлением немедленно законов Шариата в Ичкерии. Кто-то собирается идти воевать непосредственно в Чеченской Республике и таким образом «освободить» Ичкерию от оккупантов, со всеми вытекающими отсюда кровавыми последствиями. Это не более чем иллюзия. Есть так же призывы к Правительству Украины признать независимость Дагестана. Нам нет дела до Дагестана, и мы не имеем права говорить от имени народов Дагестана, где проживают 52 этнические группы, и нет ни одной доминирующей. За всю нашу историю мы не имели ни одной благотворной идеи от Дагестана, одни конфликты, распри, войны, разруху и предательство. Более того, международное сообщество, в первую очередь Европейский союз и страны Северной Америки видят Россию в перспективе единой в пределах своих нынешних границ, стабильной и предсказуемой страной. И наши призывы к признанию независимости российских автономий могут принять за попытки раскола самой России и таким образом мы льём воду на мельницу российской пропаганды. Да, мы за свободу всех народов, но нам в первую очередь нужно не забывать свои национальные интересы. Поскольку наша независимость в принципе зависит и от внешнего мира необходимо говорить на языке, который приемлем и который понятен миру, оставив словоблудие и неприемлемую риторику салонным авантюристам.

Считаете ли вы целесообразным, чтобы различные институциональные группы, определяющие себя как «законные», объединились в единую реальность и отложили в сторону свои разногласия, вместо того чтобы действовать независимо? Или ты считаешь, что среди них есть тот, кто достоин возглавить остальных?

Я глубоко убеждён в том, что Ичкерия должна получить независимость без кровопролития, военных столкновений и разрушительной войны. Мы всё это уже проходили. Мне совершенно понятно одно, что без согласия на то России Ичкерия не получит независимость в той классической цивилизованной форме, как это происходило ранее с колониальными территориями. Я совершенно уверен и в том, что ни одна страна в мире не объявит ни одной санкции  России из-за насилия и колонизации Ичкерии. Мы всё это видели в течение двух кровавых войн.  И в этих вопросах нам необходима политическая поддержка Украины и её партнёров.  Совершенно очевидно, что в вопросах сотрудничества с Ичкерией, если этот процесс будет иметь продолжение,  для Украины необходима сила, которая может быть представлена от имени народа Ичкерии. И если все эти группировки действительно желают свободы своей стране, необходимо оставить в покое свои амбиции и сформировать рабочую группу для продвижения этой работы.

На данный момент многие молодые чеченцы воюют на стороне украинской армии, в основном на Херсонском фронте. Понятно, что их битва ведется не только за защиту Украины, но и за восстановление независимости Чечни. Если бы вы могли поговорить с каждым из них, что бы вы им сказали?

Я с нескрываемой завистью, в хорошем смысле этого слова, наблюдаю за нашими парнями, участвующим на этой войне. Было бы не этично учить их чему-то, поскольку своим примером они дают пример и надежду всем чеченцам. Для меня в принципе неважно, чем они руководствуются. Но каждому в отдельности я подал бы свою руку и обнял, как это делают чеченские мужчины. Мы, чеченцы, немногословны и не делаем комплименты друг другу, но я чрезвычайно горд, что принадлежу к народу, который они представляют. Они ещё раз в полной мере показали всему миру своё благородство и  потенциал мужества в борьбе с общим врагом. В своих молитвах я прошу Всевышнего даровать им здоровья, бодрости духа и долгих лет жизни на своей свободной Родине.

Как политическая раздробленность ЧРИ сказывается на тех самых бойцах, сражающихся на фронте под знамёнами Ичкерии?

На данном этапе эти парни заняты своим благородным делом и в силу объективных причин они не уделяют этому вопросу много внимания. Я знаю, что были неудачные попытки некоторых группировок подчинить эти батальоны себе, заманив «под знамёна Ичкерии». Но проблема последних в том, что эти парни с 2014, так или иначе, под знамёнами Ичкерии, они и позиционируют себя как Ичкерийцы. При этом они интегрированы в структуры Вооруженных Сил Украины, принимают и реализуют задачи, поставленные перед ними командованием. Поэтому, я сомневаюсь в том, что на них можно оказать какое-то влияние, выходящее за рамки их функциональных обязанностей на данном этапе.